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US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point was there’s a lot of people with a lot of transactions in healthcare happening, so “hearing” about it constantly doesn’t mean anything. And yes, I know the link doesn’t have statistics in erroneous denials of coverage (I couldn’t find it anywhere quickly), but it did note that the law requires insurers to abide by an external reviewer’s decision. Surely if there were that many erroneous denials of coverage,…

I agree that there would be plenty of horror stories to fill the news, even if such events were extremely rare, but multiplied by 300 million. However, many people's "hearing" is a slightly less biased sample than that. It's that every American they have personally talked to about any visit to a hospital seems to have a horror story about (at very least) crazy bills, hours on the phone with insurers for months to yea…

Just to re-iterate, my original comment scrolling up was specifically responding to this claim:

> We don't get this nonsense where the insurer tries to deny us and hope that we don't dispute.

Restated, this is claiming that health insurers in the US erroneously deny coverage as a policy. And that is the specific statement I am saying is untrue.

The crazy bills are true, you should of course budget to be able to afford the out of pocket maximum for healthcare costs in any given year. The hours on the phone might also be true, but I know how complicated of a topic US healthcare is (perhaps needlessly, but it is what it is).

Personally, I have more issues with the healthcare providers than with the insurance companies. The insurance company has picked the phone pretty quickly when I call, and tell me the price of a procedure they have negotiated with the provider if I give them the code for it. You can even search it online on a map to shop around the prices.

The problem that I have in US healthcare is that no healthcare provider is willing to give me a code, even for simple checkups or X-rays or what have you, where everything is known in advance. The healthcare providers don't want to risk

And to finish, I'll provide with an anecdote about one of my experiences with healthcare:

My wife gets an ultrasound. The healthcare provider charges $15 for "towels" used to clean up the gel they put on my wife for the ultrasound. In reality, it was a few pieces of paper towel. The insurance company denies to pay for the towels, so we get a bill for $15. I call the healthcare provider and asked why I'm being charged $15 for a few pieces of paper towels. The person in the billing department says to ignore the bill and not pay it.

As a consumer, what am I to understand here? That healthcare providers are overcharging? Or maybe insurers are underpaying (or paying late, or causing too much paperwork) so that healthcare providers are overcharging to make up for some of that? Or healthcare provider is just charging and collecting payment from anyone who doesn't contest, and letting it go for anyone who does?

I inquired multiple times as to all the charges that will be had during the ultrasound. It's a completely routine procedure with no unexpected costs, but the healthcare provider told me they can't give me the codes they will bill. Had I been provided the codes beforehand, I would have brought my own paper towels to wipe the gel off. So I can conclude that the healthcare provider was not really trying to recoup paper towel costs.

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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This is a prime example of a feel good story that is papering over systemic problems. We're meant to read this and think this doctor is a good person (and they are, at least for this act) rather than, "how is it possible there was this much medical debt for cancer treatment to forgive?" Yes, debt forgiveness is great and something we can all do as mutual aid, but we also need to acknowledge that the deeply flawed ide…

That's how I felt. Just like stories on how everybody pitched in, or the boss giving an employee that walked to work a car, or the one where a boss allowed (!) an employee that lived in their car to park in their shop's parking lot overnight, or the one where employees "donated" their paid time off days to another because of circumstance (or the apparent fact that paid time and sick days off are such a weird concept in the US).

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Treatment and part of my income was insured by public actors (not US). No issue, everything is automatic, didn't had to pay a single thing and it would even be possible to get unlimited free taxi rides from home to hospital, free public transport, wig, sport... even a tax cut. I'm really thankful for this. Other part of my income was insured by a private company. They lost my files, claimed I didn't fill the forms an…

What's the name of that insurer?

Axa, about 10 years ago. Forums are full of similar stories for almost any private insurer.

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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post #48

A good question would be what can be done to fix healthcare in the US ? My understanding is that most voters don't support universal healthcare. IIRC even Obamacare was labeled as controversial. Current model costs way more, the model is clearly broken, why there is no pressure to fix it? ps. I don't want to get political or anything by mentioning Obamacare. I'm genuinely curious because the problems of the current h…

> My understanding is that most voters don't support universal healthcare. Medicare is almost universal healthcare for the elderly and disabled. Expand that and there you go. Obviously, expanding it to the whole country in one fell swoop would cause a lot of problems. Instead, I would drop the age requirement over many years, to give the systems time to adapt, and allow for oversight and addressing of problems. Poten…

You could also expand the VA program, a healthcare coverage system serviced by the government for veterans of the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Health_Administration

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is your data to backup this claim? Maybe you are right that claims are approved most of the time but in my experience the problem with our health care system is not just denial of claims, but about the cost of medical services and medicine. In my anecdotal experience I have had insurance deny claims on medicine prescribed by my doctors frequently, in one case they would not cover a medicine costing $50 over the…

> Where is your data to backup this claim? I’m claiming that insurers do not erroneously deny claims in the hopes that people give up. I don’t have data for it, but I’ve also never seen data that shows insurers deny coverage just to dissuade people (post ACA). > experience the problem with our health care system is not just denial of claims, but about the cost of medical services and medicine. Yes, I agree here about…

Regardless of any progress that has been made, I think anecdotal evidence is important here, and pretty much anybody who has actually used the system knows that it sucks. Nobody knows what to pay and what not to pay, for one thing. There isn't any trust - as many posters here describe, paying medical bills in the US is (feels like?) a constant struggle against being defrauded by both your insurance company and your doctor.

I always tell the same story in opposition to our current capitalist healthcare model:

1. When my oldest daughter was born 10 years ago with Spina Bifida we had private insurance through my employer. The premiums for this were something like $15,000/yr. At the time this was probably 1/3 of my total income.

2. Despite that, we continue to receive bills that we couldn't possibly pay for years after that.

3. Since my third child was born, the children have been covered by a state program (Georgia), and pretty much everything has been covered, no questions asked. As a consumer, this is pretty much all I care about.

I recognize that the current system is bad for the service providers as well, as evidenced by this article. The doctor in question gotten all he's gonna get from insurance companies. He has no hope of collecting this money, so he may as well turn it into good PR (cynical perspective, I guess, but that's me).

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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What this doctor did is amazing. I hope one day in America’s future there’s a time when such amazing gestures are relics of the past because we have care that works for everyone. Other than in cases of smoking or second hand smoke or exposure to other carcinogens nobody willfully seeks out cancer. So the idea that it wouldn’t be covered 100% is just silly to me. Is it 100% covered in places like Germany or the UK or Canada?

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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post #48

A good question would be what can be done to fix healthcare in the US ? My understanding is that most voters don't support universal healthcare. IIRC even Obamacare was labeled as controversial. Current model costs way more, the model is clearly broken, why there is no pressure to fix it? ps. I don't want to get political or anything by mentioning Obamacare. I'm genuinely curious because the problems of the current h…

> ps. I don't want to get political or anything by mentioning Obamacare. Then try referring to the legislation by its actual name, ACA - Affordable Care Act.

Why? It's just a propaganda term. Healthcare has never been more expensive.

Re: US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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post #48

A good question would be what can be done to fix healthcare in the US ? My understanding is that most voters don't support universal healthcare. IIRC even Obamacare was labeled as controversial. Current model costs way more, the model is clearly broken, why there is no pressure to fix it? ps. I don't want to get political or anything by mentioning Obamacare. I'm genuinely curious because the problems of the current h…

> Current model costs way more, the model is clearly broken, why there is no pressure to fix it?

Because there are still too many voters who think people who don't/won't work will benefit and they hate that. No, really, that is it.

And yet they'll continue to put people like Rick Scott in office...

It.Is.Idiocy.

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