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US doctor forgives $650k in medical bills for cancer patients

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It seems US was in the title just to give context related to the health care system. I did notice the mutism name (in Arkansas) but it means nothing to me as I am already convinced every culture has good people being the majority. Emphasising that would give the impression that people from that background don't normally do good.

You didn't even deign spell "Muslim" right.

Muprhy's law in action

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Indeed, and I retract my final sentence.

Ideally though, all private healthcare would be banned. Aside from ideological concerns about not giving the wealthy an unfair advantage, this has pragmatic benefit in ensuring that the public healthcare system is up to standard. That is, if the wealthy and powerful are forced to use it too, it means they have skin in the game and won't just use their power to run it into the ground in pursuit of profit or from lack…

Interestingly, private healthcare isn't banned in Canada but in in reality, there's virtually none of it. The system is designed so that the public sector doesn't subsidize a potential private sector, and without those subsidies, nobody's interested.

Personally, I agree with you. Private healthcare should be abolished entirely.

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Sorry, if this is another angle, but I would have been more happy if instead of mentioning US doctor (or in addition to mentioning it), they would have mentioned his traits viz. "muslim" and "pakistani-origin". (I am happy none the less) Muslims are currently vilified, and Pakistani isn't in the best books right now. So, a little nod to someone who did good being muslim and pakistani-origin goes a long way to neutral…

I believe we should not, for the same reason you don't want to add religion tag when it's a terriorst attack. You can't have all good and hide the bad things. I believe even if he was from someother religion or University, he would have the same. It's the person goodwill not the other way around.

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The QALY metric they mention is exactly what I had in mind, actually, very cool. Wealth won't get you better care, or faster care, or different in the NHS. That's the point I was making, and your article supports that position. > "You'd have to go elsewhere and on your own dime for expensive treatments." [In a single payer system there's nowhere else to go.] (retracted)

In a single payer system there's nowhere else to go. We have private health care in the UK in addition to the national health service (eg https://www.bupa.co.uk/ ). It's insurance-based, and it pays for treatment in hospitals both inside and outside of the NHS. It's even offered as a perk by some employers. Specifically relevant to this HN story, there's access to cancer treatments before they're approved by the NHS…

I wasn't commenting on the NHS there, I was making my comments with reference to the Canadian system. I retracted my comment because I made it overly board. If you'd like to learn more about the legality of private cover within the Canadian system you can do so here. [1]

In Canada, while in general private cover is not illegal, for covered health services, it roughly speaking does not exist and my statement that you "have nowhere else to go" holds.

I can see that my statement was unclear, hence my edit.

With respect to the other statement I made, that money won't buy you better care within the NHS is true to the best of my knowledge.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC80881/

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OBL was found in Abbottabad /minor_nitpick

I was searching crunchbase for a Pakistani company named OBL founded in Peshawar, when I finally caught the bin Laden reference.

It was nine years ago. Remember that there are people voting in the recent US election born after 9/11; the forever war in the middle east has been going on for a while.

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> It's inevitable that medical care in some way is tied to personal wealth. Some treatments are so expensive and/or niche that public programs likely wouldn't cover them. Such treatments will probably always exist. (And if they didn't, then that could he a problem by itself.) Not in a single-payer state, no. It's also not really a problem in and of itself. You'll find that if cancer treatments are actually cheaper an…

This isn't correct in the UK under NHS. There's a set amount NHS is willing to pay for drugs and treatment, and beyond that, it's refused altogether. You'd have to go elsewhere and on your own dime for expensive treatments. Here's a link from the BBC I quickly found but it's widely documented: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-28983924

To clarify, the NHS evaluates the cost effectiveness of treatments. It does not set any kind of cap on expenditure per individual (nor is this number even tracked AFAIK).

I don't know of any healthcare system that doesn't make some kind of evaluation of cost effectiveness. Insurance companies do this too!

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The bbc tries to appear neutral they will often avoid telling the origins of people , for good or bad deeds. Very kind of this doctor but this should never happen in the first place. Probably will not happen in my life time but the US should simply implement a health care system the well developed EU nations. Cancer and sickness are realities of life but paying 10s of thousands for hospital bills is simply out of scope for the vast majority of people. I had a US friend who was a low digits millionaire and a renal failure. He ended up losing all the money for medication and eventually his life. Now compare that to a low or no income person. Medical aid should not be granted put of pity or mercy in this age. We have covid and that is affecting all, suddenly vaccines and rollouts are approved in record times. When it hits home it really hurts, I suppose. The loud mouths who used to shout "not my problem" are much less noisy these days(bar the ones with questionable mental stability who think the virus is fake etc). All the capitalism and its ceremony is fine, but without a healthy body or society, who will generate that wealth?

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A good question would be what can be done to fix healthcare in the US ? My understanding is that most voters don't support universal healthcare. IIRC even Obamacare was labeled as controversial. Current model costs way more, the model is clearly broken, why there is no pressure to fix it? ps. I don't want to get political or anything by mentioning Obamacare. I'm genuinely curious because the problems of the current h…

> My understanding is that most voters don't support universal healthcare.

Medicare is almost universal healthcare for the elderly and disabled. Expand that and there you go.

Obviously, expanding it to the whole country in one fell swoop would cause a lot of problems. Instead, I would drop the age requirement over many years, to give the systems time to adapt, and allow for oversight and addressing of problems. Potentially also add coverage from the bottom up. Targeting something like 1% increase in enrollment for a few years, and see if you can increase that over time to 5%.

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One of the most unfair characteristics of US healthcare is that if the health insurance company does not cover a claim, then the patient is responsible for the payment. It is unrealistic in practice for a patient to know or understand the process by which claims are made (since they are made by an error prone and disinterested provider administrator, and are made in a non-transparent and highly complex way), and also…

I just changed my insurance to LA Care. The doctor they gave me was with UCLA medical. I called and they said they did not and never have accepted LA Care. I called LA Care. The lady said, "I really wish their clinics stopped doing that." She called the UCLA clinic with me on the line and sorted it out. I was then left to give them the rest of my info... At the last step when they asked for my ID, they insisted it wa…

Sorry, for those of us not in the know, what is it about La Care that provokes this response?
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