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Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by oneplane »

Pokepokalypse wrote: post #198
ksec wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well All 2016 - 2019 MacBook are pretty much junk. As shown by their resale value. So it was probably one of the worst Apple product ever. But the Pre-2015 MacBook Pro and M1? They are great. ( Although M1 still have shitty keyboard )

I'm still using my 2013 MBP on a daily basis. Fucking beast. Though I need to do a battery swap. Far superior to my 2019 MBP my employer got me.

While I understand what everyone is complaining about, I have no problems or failures with any of them, except a battery swap on the 2015 13" when it started swelling up after 2000 cycles. The keyboards and trackpads are different but I can do my work on them just fine all the same. The 2017 has the benefit (to me) of working a bit like the Magic Keyboard 2, the 2019 is not that much different from that, and as far as the other user-facing I/O is concerned, the screen, sound, ports and palmrests are all pretty good. The 2015 is starting to feel a bit odd (small keys, small trackpad) and without Thunderbolt 2 the I/O would not have the bandwidth I wanted.

The only thing I have had break was a 2009 MagSafe charger, the insulation somewhere in the middle started getting brittle, probably some sort of chemical reaction causing it to lose its flexibility. But since I only have 1 MagSafe first revision device left it doesn't matter that much. (and I don't use it that much either)

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by zepto »

gorkish wrote: post #204

Apple needs to give a little here. I think it's patently ridiculous that we have to enlist the assistance of console hackers in order to have a chance at porting the most used operating system in the entire world to run on hardware that in all likelihood already happily runs it inside of Apple's labs. > In particular, we will be reverse engineering the Apple GPU architecture and developing an open source driver for i…

I don’t think there is any rush at all for Apple to do anything to support Linux on macs that are only a couple of months old.

However I absolutely think they should produce a Bootcamp equivalent designed to support Linux on all Macs and iOS devices that Apple no longer supports with MacOS.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by zepto »

lrvick wrote: post #133
Bluerise wrote: post #12

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First of all the feature wasn't available in the initial Big Sur release and it only got available during the Betas for the first minor patch. Second of all, some Apple developer stated on Twitter that (during M1 unveil) he's finally able to show all the boot policy work they worked on the past year(s) to allow users to boot foreign OSes and without opening up holes for attackers. Basically it boils down to: they cou…

Kind of like all the work Sony did to allow Linux on the PS4 only to kill it later? You don't own a mac. You can only do on it what it is profitable for Apple to let you do, today. As much as I respect the incredible RE skills required for this task, I feel like this is shaky foundation unless an unpatchable bootrom exploit is discovered. Even then new models would be patched leaving existing users with an insecure p…

“You don't own a mac. You can only do on it what it is profitable for Apple to let you do, today.”

This is a completely bullshit statement.

Almost all Macs support running Windows and Linux, and Apple has clearly invested in supporting open booting even on these new machines.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by [deleted] »

bsaul wrote: post #173
DCKing wrote: post #45

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It's a bad faith argument. The presupposition is that Apple is inherently motivated to actively lock things down, because that's what they do with the iPhone. This glosses over that Apple has no reason to actually do so, only has reasons not to do it on the Mac, and has gone on record saying they won't treat the Mac as the iPhone. It's based on the notion that Apple would be against free booting a priori for some rea…

The reason people assume apple will prevent you from doing what you want with your computer, is because it’s the logical consequence of the strategy they’ve followed for the past 10 years over their whole product line. From phones, to cable, to messenging software. They’re into vertical integration and walled ecosystem.

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Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by kube-system »

actuator wrote: post #40

It seems so amazing to me that Microsoft saw the ARM opportunity with Windows RT, released 8 years back but somehow managed to not succeed with a stellar ARM laptop story. Maybe Qualcomm is more to blame here for never progressing as well as Apple has done on chips but maybe the software experience was just not there. We would probably already have good ARM laptops running linux distros if Windows on ARM had taken of…

I think the situation is simple:

People don't care whether their laptop is ARM, x86 or z80. They want to know:

1. will it run my apps?

2. does it have good overall performance (in a broad sense, not just compute)?

3. is it a competitive value?

We've known about the potential strengths of ARM for decades, but nobody has been able to implement it in a way that checks all three boxes until now.

MS was putting out devices that checked 0/3 boxes

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by zepto »

ciwolsey wrote: post #41
chpmrc wrote: post #38

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Apple adds limitations to protect the system: "too strict!" Apple gives the chance to disable these limitations to power users: "they should be disabled by default!" Apple disables limitations: "temporary convenient oversight?" ...

I see nothing wrong with any of these speculations. If you or Apple don't like speculation the answer is for them to communicate their intention.

They have communicated their intention openly. Just listen to any of the podcasts where Gruber interviews senior execs about this.

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by WantonQuantum »

readams wrote: post #236

Solution: don't buy locked down Apple hardware. Yes, the chips look nice but it's just really unfortunate that they're from Apple and so come with all the Apple baggage. Just wait a couple years for competing chips that won't have the baggage.

For what problem is this the solution?

Re: Asahi Linux: Linux on Apple Silicon project

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Post by MobiusHorizons »

ksec wrote: post #141
rightisleft wrote: post #94

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is it? my 2016 macbook was the worst apple product i've ever owned...

Well All 2016 - 2019 MacBook are pretty much junk. As shown by their resale value. So it was probably one of the worst Apple product ever. But the Pre-2015 MacBook Pro and M1? They are great. ( Although M1 still have shitty keyboard )

> Although M1 still have shitty keyboard

Curious have you used the new M1 keyboard? It's a totally different mechanism, and feels completely different than the ~2019 MBP I have for work. I would go so far as to say that the 2019 keyboard was hands-down the worst keyboard I have ever used, but the new one is really excellent. I really enjoy mine. It seems to me to be one of the better laptop keyboards I have ever used. Maybe not quite as nice as some of the better lenovo models, although I'm not quite sure.

If you have used the new keyboards, what do you dislike about them?

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