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Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by TwoBit »

CPLX wrote: post #77
ogre_codes wrote: post #7

I hate the way this article is worded. Or perhaps the problem is the source documents. "Ticketmaster" didn't do anything. Ticketmaster is a company which cannot make decisions or take actions. - An employee at Ticketmaster stole a password (and financial documents) - Multiple other Ticketmaster employees abused that stolen information to actively attack a competitor. - Ticketmaster management was aware of this and re…

It really is both. Corporations have corporate personhood and should be held accountable for criminal acts, as should individual criminals. Ticketmaster did do something. They clearly broke the law. So did the individuals. All should be severely punished this is egregious behavior.

Otherwise every illegal thing any company did would be played off as by rogue individuals.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by CerealFounder »

Nacdor wrote: post #45

> Ticketmaster has agreed to pay a $10 million criminal fine Live Nation is worth $16 Billion. This is like a person with a $100k net worth having to pay a $62 fine, basically an expensive parking ticket. They might as well tell them to write "I will not hack my competitors" on the blackboard 100 times.

LOL A criminal fine. Is there anything more insane than nobody being personally responsible for committing a crime. Like an institution woke up and developed cognition.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by spacemanmatt »

ogre_codes wrote: post #40
aqme28 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If corporate management knew about and encouraged this behavior, how is that not "Ticketmaster" doing it? IMO both the individuals and the corporation should be held responsible.

I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought here. Corporations can't act, people inside the corporations act. If laws get broken, the individuals who made that choice should pay the price. This wasn't a defense of the company, I'm fine with the company getting fined here, so long as the people who did this get penalized as well. So long as we let companies be a sort of shelter for the people inside the company, this kind…

14 employees plus the employee with the stolen credentials were present for at least one of the felonies committed.

There should be at least 15 conspiracy charges in addition to the CFAA violation charge.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by spacemanmatt »

TwoBit wrote: post #91
CPLX wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is both. Corporations have corporate personhood and should be held accountable for criminal acts, as should individual criminals. Ticketmaster did do something. They clearly broke the law. So did the individuals. All should be severely punished this is egregious behavior.

Otherwise every illegal thing any company did would be played off as by rogue individuals.

That is literally the standard dodge.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by jobu »

Nacdor wrote: post #45

> Ticketmaster has agreed to pay a $10 million criminal fine Live Nation is worth $16 Billion. This is like a person with a $100k net worth having to pay a $62 fine, basically an expensive parking ticket. They might as well tell them to write "I will not hack my competitors" on the blackboard 100 times.

Fines for corporations should be a percentage of revenue, otherwise massive companies will keep doing heinous shit and write it off as a cost of doing business. The GDPR penalties in the EU are done this way (up to 4% of revenue).

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by MaysonL »

naravara wrote: post #81
ogre_codes wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Barry Bond got caught doping, nobody said "The SF Giants were doping". Barry Bond owned that. That's all I'm looking for here.

When accountants at Enron defrauded the State of California and the SEC, we didn't say "accountants at Enron." We said "Enron" and held Enron, the entity, responsible.

Also the CEO, COO and CFO were sentenced to prison.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by ForHackernews »

arcticbull wrote: post #67
brokensegue wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but LiveNation doesn't hold stock worth $16B and cannot easily issue new stock.

I didn't realize paying criminal penalties was supposed to be fun and easy ;) this is literally restitution for a crime. "Uh, no Judge, I don't think I should be forced to go to prison, that's hard " [edit] Maybe this is controversial, I dunno, I might just be old fashioned that way, but my opinion is if you find the punishment too onerous maybe don't do crime .

Maybe this is an opening for a new startup: Frictionless, delightful resolution of criminal charges for the ultrawealthy. Simple automated payment of slap-on-the-wrist fines, and with the optional Uber-for-inmates premium add-on we'll find somebody to serve any jail time in your place.

Re: Ticketmaster admits it hacked Songkick before it went out of business

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Post by foota »

ogre_codes wrote: post #7

I hate the way this article is worded. Or perhaps the problem is the source documents. "Ticketmaster" didn't do anything. Ticketmaster is a company which cannot make decisions or take actions. - An employee at Ticketmaster stole a password (and financial documents) - Multiple other Ticketmaster employees abused that stolen information to actively attack a competitor. - Ticketmaster management was aware of this and re…

It sounds like the person that was found guilty was at a fairly high level, not the top perhaps, but it sounds like it was quite possibly their idea.
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