BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare
Wow, amazing to see Tesla trending down to under 1%. That seems to be evidence that their first-mover advantage won't help them as EVs become common.
Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
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Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
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This just sums up how tax payers subsidise EVs and some meme company takes the credit
Sour grapes. No one was racing to buy Leafs and Bolts, nor EVs with no DC fast charging network. People wanted a great car that happened to be electric, not anemic golf carts.
Leafs and Bolts were sold out (or leased out) almost everywhere they were available before the Model 3 was released.
The problem was that they never made enough of them because their respective manufacturers didn't believe the market was very large, largely because battery technology when they were first released simply wasn't as good as it is now.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Still a huge markup on their petrol equivalents, roughly £14k more expensive. Yes you get a few extra bells and whistles and a small grant to help but that difference still has a ways to go
No phone-as-key? I'd pay $14k just for that. It's life changing.
I definitely would not want to have my phone as a key. I can keep my car key safely attached inside by backpack but I use my phone all the time when walking (taking pictures, OS maps, audiobooks) so its much more likely that I would damage/lose my phone than lose my car key.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#134BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare
trend line is badly misleading since 2021Q1 just started and tesla delivers their cars at the end of the quarter
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#135This includes hybrids. It's really questionable to incentivize hybrid vehicles and selling it as a electrified success. Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel. I think this can only be seen as a success for electrified motors if it's proven that they're actually being used.
I don't know, man. My wife's hybrid Rav4 gets 40+ mpg. That's amazing for a small SUV, and it's a fantastic car.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
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I'm hearing more and more electric cars pass me in traffic and about half of them are not Teslas. (Sweden) I have no numbers to back this up, just observations of a cyclist commuter in Malmö. Edit: According to this absolutely awful website[1] it's up to 113,790 EVs in Sweden in 2020. And according to this[2] much better website jan-nov in 2020 saw 93k gasoline driven cars vs. 21k EVs. So we're not even close to Norw…
As far as I know there's not much incentive to buy electric in Sweden, where in Norway they're heavily subsidised. Also, small internet, Hello from Caroli, Malmo! [EDIT: Cars otherwise being heavily taxed and EV's being Tax free, both at purchase time and with annual car taxes (with additional perks such as no parking tolls and driving in bus lanes) is the definition of subsidised]
Note that PHEVs also receive substantial tax breaks, such that the advantage of an BEV over a PHEV is mostly only the 25% VAT
The annual registration, toll road and parking fee exemptions have all been abolished, but there is a goal of it being max 50% of an ICE car
You do have up to 60k SEK *EV subsidy in Sweden: https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/en/road/Vehicles/bonus-mal...
More details on Norwegian incentives (not updated for the removal of exemption of registration tax): https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
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Range, battery longevity (older versions), lack of fast charge network and charge experience, no OTA software updates, no lane keeping (“autopilot”) on older versions. One can appreciate Tesla and not like Musk. Even as a Tesla investor, not a huge fan. I see him as a necessary evil. The cars sells, and that’s all that’s important.
Now find me a tesla for £7k like I can buy a leaf for used.
The low price is an indicator of the low desirability.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like Tesla did what they were attempting to: dragging everyone to EVs faster. Edit: Would governments be starting to implement new combustion vehicle sales bans without robust charging infra and large quantities of EV deliveries quarter after quarter? Unlikely.
This just sums up how tax payers subsidise EVs and some meme company takes the credit
As awful as Tesla is, all the other car manufacturing companies are far far worse. Even with massive government incentives, even with their massive war chests, even with their massive production capacity, even with their access to capital markets for big investments, even then, they didn't make the smart move and had to be shown the path by an annoying megalomaniac who gets way too much attention.
So yes, I regret giving money to Tesla, but it is the least bad option out there as far as giving money to these car companies. The only winning move is to not play the game, but unfortunately that same government that is paying for the EV transition is the system that, by law, is denying my ability to live a car-free daily life.
There are no heroes here, nobody is doing exactly the right thing, but Tesla and the government are doing things partially right.
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
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>Should we allow a free market to continue producing vehicles that contribute to the degradation of the planet? That's not my argument. It would be a good thing if all governments outlawed ICE consumer vehicles. However, headlines like this are portraying Norway as some kind of progressive utopia where everyone just wants to drive EVs. Obviously you can make people do whatever you want with aggressive enough tax poli…
ICE cars rely on subsidies, why shouldn't EVs? The US federal government subsidizes $20B per year towards fossil fuels across oil, gas, and coal. The EU subsidizes €55B per year towards fossil fuels. https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subs...
This all depends on your definition of "subsidy." https://www.forbes.com/sites/drillinginfo/2016/02/22/debunki...
Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020
#140BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare
Wow, amazing to see Tesla trending down to under 1%. That seems to be evidence that their first-mover advantage won't help them as EVs become common.
Tesla’s are great and all but American cars don’t exactly have a good reputation in Europe