LA: Ambulance crews to not transport patients with little chance of survival

Post by Noumenon72 » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 10:59 AM UTC

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saberdancer wrote: post #97

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Isn't the instruction in fact to limit resuscitation efforts to in field? To take it to an extreme, if someone collapses and has a heart attack near a hospital, by this instruction they would have to revive the person (get a pulse/breathing) before transporting them to a hospital. It sounds very different to what normal procedure would be. I am assuming that usually they try to get the pulse back but that they can co…

Movies give a very unrealistic example of chance of survival after heart attacks or cardiac arrest. People are likely to survive one, but not the other. You wouldn't know that from film where almost everyone survives.

Post by sjg007 » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 11:05 AM UTC

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> But a headline designed to make incorrect impression just doesn’t help. Yet this is basically all we get. Because it makes people click. It’s so hard to tell what’s real and what’s exaggerated these days. And if you try to make the case that something is exaggerated, you come off as a right wing nut job.

For example, here are some excerpts from just one other LA Times article: > Many hospitals also say they’re too full to accept any more patients or ambulances > when paramedics are allowed to drop off patients at a hospital, the emergency room is often so crowded that there aren’t available staff members > Hospitals across the state are sending away ambulances, flying in nurses from out of state and not letting child…

Post by polytely » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 11:09 AM UTC

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remote_phone wrote: post #13

Regardless of politics, I think places like LA need to institute a full lockdown. No one leaves their house except to go to the grocery store and pharmacy. No one leaves more than 2 miles away from their residence. It should be enforced by the military. Essentially martial law. It’s not something I suggest lightly. But 6-8 weeks of complete lockdown and pay people to stay home. It’s the only way that California is go…

CFR is 0.5%-1%.

Post by rsynnott » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 11:12 AM UTC

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Liberal? Why throw politics into this? I am going to bet that conservatives are fatter on average than liberals.

Why?

Post by robbiep » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 11:15 AM UTC

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The commonly-used treatments for hypoxia are incredibly damaging. In the beginning "ventilation" was the go-to treatment to pump oxygen into patients' lungs. Doctors eventually realized invasive ventilation was a death sentence. Now they're trying to just use lots of oxygen, but that doesn't work either. A lot of people had COVID-19 before tests were available. What happened to make the disease so much more deadly? I…

> Doctors eventually realized invasive ventilation was a death sentence. Do you have a source that ventilation itself worsens outcomes, and isn't just correlated with already poor-performing patients?