LA: Ambulance crews to not transport patients with little chance of survival

Post by adrianN » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 8:29 AM UTC

throw473388 wrote: post #73

gizmo686 wrote: post #69

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It is not the mainstream liberal position that obesity is not a health issue. Michele Obama is still one of the most popular figures in American politics; and her signature issue was fighting childhood obesity.

That is not really a problem, but acceptance is. Making your child obese should be treated as a child abuse. Obese people should be treaded the same way as smokers, not to get disability benefits.

Post by adrianN » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 8:30 AM UTC

dawnerd wrote: post #72

baskire wrote: post #48

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I’m curious if covid will finally change the liberal belief that being morbidly obese is ok and shouldn’t be viewed similar to smoking. Our food policies have failed us. Like honestly allowing a single serving of food/drink to have multiple “servings” on their labels is crazy. A single hot-bun is 1 serving not 2.5

Yea I think you got the sides mixed up there. The only time I’ve heard a liberal defend obesity was in response to body shaming - which is a problem and doesn’t help the person get in shape.

Post by Der_Einzige » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 8:34 AM UTC

remote_phone wrote: post #13

Regardless of politics, I think places like LA need to institute a full lockdown. No one leaves their house except to go to the grocery store and pharmacy. No one leaves more than 2 miles away from their residence. It should be enforced by the military. Essentially martial law. It’s not something I suggest lightly. But 6-8 weeks of complete lockdown and pay people to stay home. It’s the only way that California is go…

Post by saberdancer » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 8:37 AM UTC

GavinMcG wrote: post #66

songgao wrote: post #41

This might be an unpopular opinion but this is a pretty awful headline and it makes it look way worse than what the EMS documents actually say. There’s a bold text [1] “shall not be transported if return of spontaneous circulation is not achieved in the field”. There’s a pretty big difference between abandoning patients with little chance of survival in general, and giving up after failure to achieve ROSC. Perhaps at…

In emergency medicine, you've got patients who are dead, and patients who are dead dead. Patients who are just dead might still be brought back. This isn't about them. Patients who are dead dead because they haven't responded to resuscitation efforts aren't going to be taken to the hospital, is all. And in a lot of places that's already the norm.

Post by Quequau » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 8:40 AM UTC

GavinMcG wrote: post #66

songgao wrote: post #41

This might be an unpopular opinion but this is a pretty awful headline and it makes it look way worse than what the EMS documents actually say. There’s a bold text [1] “shall not be transported if return of spontaneous circulation is not achieved in the field”. There’s a pretty big difference between abandoning patients with little chance of survival in general, and giving up after failure to achieve ROSC. Perhaps at…

In emergency medicine, you've got patients who are dead, and patients who are dead dead. Patients who are just dead might still be brought back. This isn't about them. Patients who are dead dead because they haven't responded to resuscitation efforts aren't going to be taken to the hospital, is all. And in a lot of places that's already the norm.