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America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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The US also has the highest spending in health care per capita. Spending does not equal outcomes.

Yes, I agree. But the comment implied neglect, which is false. Our education system is a mess, but it's not due to neglect, and it doesn't have anything to do with manufacturing being shipped abroad. As a side note, the US has the second highest public spending per capita (second only to Norway, last I checked). Our Government spends more per citizen than all but one "socialist" country. We then of course spend anoth…

How much of that public spending is on the prison industrial complex? On "law and order?" Not all public spending is equal.

Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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At a certain point, does automation/robotics swing the manufacturing base back towards the west?

It depends, but probably not. The main benefit would be transportation/logistics, but intercontinental freight shipping is pretty cheap and fast (especially China -> USA). Assuming equivalent machine costs (Chinese firms can potentially get government backed deals from to local & international vendors), equivalent financing (subsidized loans are common in China), equivalent operating costs (rent in the US is ridiculo…

> Assuming equivalent machine costs

I know of at least one automation equipment company that prices their machines in China at about half of what they charge to US customers, because that's the price point that the market will bear. Exact same machines, same specs. Just like any other region-based price discrimination.

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I wish Silicon Valley wasn’t just about software, particularly adtech. Some of the most brilliant minds are working on optimizing click ratios. There is some hardware tech (Apple, nVidia, Intel, Tesla), but vast majority of the engineers are working on cushy jobs paying $400k to serve ads. SV should be leading investments in Semiconductors, automation and manufacturing tech. It doesn’t even live up to its name. If yo…

I also wonder about this kind of stuff.

I think about things like this: What if all the wallstreet quants and sv adtech guys were all put on a nuclear fusion project?

It would be like an unstoppable force against an immovable project.

Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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Can you provide source for these numbers?

It's always interesting to me when people react like this to an internet comment without sharing any research they did themselves. To me a forum like this is like when I'd be sitting around in uni wondering aloud about some problem and someone will say "Well, maybe if you use the fact that the functions which invert the sign of the √2 and √3 parts in Q(√2, √3) are automorphisms, then you can see that the group contai…

It's always interesting to me when people react like this to an internet comment without sharing any research they did themselves.

I didn't do any particular research here, because it conflicts with the preexisting knowledge I have about the subject, and because my experience tells me that figures like these, which can be, and especially when they actually are used to further political narrative, are often misleading, and/or wrong. However, I didn't want to accuse the commenter of any bias or misconduct, hence I phrased my question to leave out my skepticism.

The truth of that part isn't important. It's the fact that it's a good faith hint.

You actually hit the spot: you can assume good faith when sitting around in uni and asking people to help you calculate Galois groups. You cannot assume good faith when talking to strangers online on politically charged topics: even if they are themselves operating in good faith, it is highly likely that they were fed, as you call them, "hints", by bad faith actors. Hence, I ask for sources.

I noticed that most people who really know their field don't cite their assertions. It makes sense. So now I'm not surprised when people don't provide a citation.

That's because they can rely on their authority and experience to establish trust, and they have reputation to protect in case their assertions are actually completely wrong. None of this is true when talking to random, anonymous people online.

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For Tesla, collecting self-driving training data as well as general fleet data. For Square, collecting transaction data to mitigate risk so that merchants worldwide can take payments. For Uber/Lyft predicting areas where there will be people needing rides to optimize transportation needs. Plenty of real-world applications other than ads.

I used to work with a guy that liked to talk about how much porn has helped technology - primarily that the desire for privacy (in viewing and purchasing) helped drive SSL adoption. I'm sure he was being facetious, but the idea that an industry like porn or ads might drive technology that then can benefit other 'worthy' industries seems obvious to me.

I'm reminded of a story I read about a dictator that took over a country, who while corrupt, actually funneled more money into infrastructure than anyone before him and became very popular with the people.

sort of deal with the devil though.

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Dems used to be pro labor, Repubs used to be pro business (on balance, but kind of served both when it made sense). In the ‘80s Dems saw being default pro business was more lucrative and jumped ship. Now both parties play both hands and workers get shafted. Oh but the Dems are pro workers! No, they are not. They pretend they are. The only ones who are pro worker also sold out (Bernie) and went globalist —Compare his…

Democrats distract their base with identity politics (free sex changes! defund the police! and such woke nonsense) while their wealthy supporters get rich selling the country to China.

Medical care and not being harassed/shot are also important, and the Democratic party doesn't seem particularly enthusiastic about those things either.

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The problem isn't comparative advantage, it's that the US left the poor states to languish with poor education. So instead of higher quality manufacturing / blue collar jobs, non-educated folks got minimum wage service jobs.

There are not enough "higher quality manufacturing / blue collar jobs." The US has embraced an economic model of outsourcing manufacturing and shifting to an economy based around intellectual property, finance, and other knowledge work. What's left is low-skill, low-pay service jobs, where outsourcing is not possible, but where technology is instead the threat. And knowledge jobs are jobs for smart people. Most peopl…

Yeah, think very carefully before having kids. What kind of life will they have in this country if they are not technical elites of some kind? In the old days, you always needed labor for the farm or factory, but not anymore..

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Democrats distract their base with identity politics (free sex changes! defund the police! and such woke nonsense) while their wealthy supporters get rich selling the country to China.

Medical care and not being harassed/shot are also important, and the Democratic party doesn't seem particularly enthusiastic about those things either.

Yes, the actual socialists and other economic leftists are the big losers right now. Biden admin will push idpol nonsense to the extreme while not delivering anything worthwhile for the economic left.

Next four years will be a feeding frenzy for the sociopaths of America.

Re: America Can’t Even Produce the Things It Invented

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Your politicians failed you. You vote for them, and you feel good if they win. But then what happens? Nothing. The rich keeps getting richer. While the poor stays poor. And the middle class becomes poorer. The elites just wants to make more money. And what do they do? They buy out the politicians, in order to keep themselves rich. And what’s the biggest lie that they’ve sold you? That trickle-down-economics works for…

Who is the "you" here? Given that this is a tech focused website, I bet a lot of people on here have done very well in recent years. Hard to consider the 20- and 30- something year olds making $500k/year at a FAANG or a few million dollars when the unicorn they work for IPOs an oppressed class.

20- and 30- somethings at FAANG is hardly a picture of America as a whole. Also if 20- and 30- somethings ignore the rest of our neighbors in other fields because “F you got mine”, we’re hardly better than the elitists.

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The elites have been in power since idk when.

Right, the one guy trying to knock it all down, you decide to vote out of office, because the Elites said he was racist. Bravo! Typical stupid Americans doing exactlt what the Elites want.

Which elites did he knock down besides maybe the Clinton?
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