How to overcome Phone Addiction • Hacker News Board

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by greggman3 » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 9:02 AM UTC

bumby wrote: post #58

launderthis wrote: post #9

correlation does not equal causation. Phone addiction or internet addiction is a symptom not a cause. People are escaping to the internet becuase of the world we live in is cold. There is a new US marine commerical out that shows a kid wandering the street kind of lost in hyper interactive world. The commercial plays off of this internet addiction and data mining product selling. Then clips to them becoming a Marine…

> Marines do have an answer, although with a great cost. Do you mean an individual cost or societal cost? I think one of the ironies about the human condition is that we value things that we’ve sacrificed toward much more than the things we have not. E.g., Marines have esprit de corps in part because of their sacrifices not despite them. The strongest connections are often made through hardship. To think we can have…

> The strongest connections are often made through hardship. To think we can have that connection without a cost doesn’t seem congruent with how we’re wired

This is the irony for me, my closest friends are people I crunched with at work. Going to breakfast together at 5am was a bonding experience. Staying overnight the day before shipping, etc... I'm not saying I want to force that on anyone but they are actually good memories for me and I made good friends. It helps that they were creative products so we were putting ourselves in them. I don't know how I'd fell crunching on someone else's goal/deadline/project.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by sizzle » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 9:13 AM UTC

testfoobar wrote: post #188

NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #75

The paper they are basing the opening sentence "phone addiction is one of the biggest non-drug addiction(sic) in human history" on is written by a Doctor of Business Administration, a dean that has "particular industries of interest are banks and non-profit organizations" in his bio and a third researcher with 2 publications total, including the article in question (published 2011). This may in no way weaken the poin…

That is a fair criticism of this article. Anecdotally, I recently discussed phone addiction with a youngish tenured professor friend in the psych department at a major university. Two things stood out for me: 1. My academic friend really had a limited understanding of the success of machine learning in driving engagement online. How algorithms can and will enhance whatever mechanism they discover to drive engagement…

Maybe your friend is just ignorant if they are purely psych and not well versed in cognitive-neuroscience, which may be the best field for investigating and understanding modern day tech addictions via fMRI brain scans, etc.

I wouldn't expect the field of Psychology to lead research in the area, as you also concluded in your closing statement.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by watwut » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 9:19 AM UTC

bumby wrote: post #201

scotty79 wrote: post #161

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I'd say individual. You are letting people to condition you into becoming obedient killer and believing it's a virtue and worthwhile skill.

The society they are a part of does consider it a worthwhile skill, which is why they’ve created a niche for it. There may be disagreements on the individual level, but society creates institutions (like the military) and the policies they execute based on their aggregate values. Or in cliched terms, people get the government they deserve

But once they leave, veterans don't do that great statistically. And you can't be marine forever.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by ngngngng » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 9:20 AM UTC

stinos wrote: post #264

makecheck wrote: post #74

I basically discourage addiction by making things “difficult” for myself on my phone: - Minimal web bookmarks (i.e. I have to type in most web sites I want to visit; this is just enough of an encumbrance that I won’t flip open things like Reddit every 30 seconds). - I never install apps meant for content consumption, I use their web sites. (This is usually a better experience anyway, since the vast majority of them a…

I have to type in most web sites I want to visit Huh, what browser? Or did you make it not remember anything visited? Don't they all figure out what you want these days? I mean if I type 'r' FF presents me reddit.com, 'n' is news.yconmbinator.com as best match etc. For the sites I visit most, it's actually faster than looking up a bookmark.

Firefox focus would work for this, every session is incognito with no exceptions so nothing would be saved.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by TeMPOraL » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 9:23 AM UTC

tartoran wrote: post #200

username90 wrote: post #190

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Which is what you get from computers? The only bad thing about them is the low social status associated with it. There is some weird bias in society that you are a lesser human somehow if you spend a lot of time in front of computers instead of doing more "rich" things like reading books. At least for me all anxiety related to spending a lot of time with computers disappeared once I stopped caring about what others t…

Being sedentary is not very good on your body, muscles atrophy, joints become stiff, your body tires easier and from there it’s a downward slope. If you have enough physical activity then you need not worry about this but there are other factors. Like muscles all other faculties atrophy as well without use. Physical activity is good for the brain as well. I think of the computer as a tool at the end of the day. It is…

Talking about health is a rather lousy justification. It's not because of worry for one's health that spending time in front of computers is considered low-status.

My suspicion is it's because of perceived individualism. Computers may provide you with rich and social experiences, but they detach you from people physically around you, and some people can't stand that.

Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by watwut » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 9:24 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #21

launderthis wrote: post #9

correlation does not equal causation. Phone addiction or internet addiction is a symptom not a cause. People are escaping to the internet becuase of the world we live in is cold. There is a new US marine commerical out that shows a kid wandering the street kind of lost in hyper interactive world. The commercial plays off of this internet addiction and data mining product selling. Then clips to them becoming a Marine…

> Its a good commercial because its actually something that is a problem and that the Marines do have an answer Perhaps we should bring back a year of mandatory military service. Or some other kind of mandatory community service.

Just slightly older guys then I am had mandatory service. I never heard someone say anything positive about the experience. Mostly learned how to avoid effort in highly controlled environment. Many stories about bullying is various kind.

But purpose was never mentioned, they seen it more of as waste of time.

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Post by habosa » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 9:41 AM UTC

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Re: How to overcome Phone Addiction

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Post by njanirudh » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 9:50 AM UTC

One thing that helps me from staying away from phone is keeping the screen in black and white reading mode.

Somehow looking at colorful images on screen seems more enticing than bland greyscale ones.

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Post by sizzle » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 10:06 AM UTC

jondwillis wrote: post #107

foobiekr wrote: post #65

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Please invest in my new startup - we provide an app that recommends LSD microdoses to address your milliphone exposure count.

https://aurynproject.org/pala re: the business and yogafication of psychedelics Quite a long story but I found it thought-provoking.

Wow that was profound to say the least, highly relevant to tech and entrepreneur crowd thank you for sharing!

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Post by sizzle » Sun, Jan 03, 2021, 10:09 AM UTC

3131s wrote: post #194

bumby wrote: post #89

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While you make a good point, I think the therapeutic dose to LD50 ratio of mushrooms is vanishingly small, meaning they are relatively safe (Assuming you are referring to the article about mushrooms)

Well, except when people start jumping from buildings. I know two people, one of whom successfully jumped from the 3rd floor of a building and another that had to be restrained from doing so. It's a real risk, although I personally have done psychedelics many hundreds of times and never felt the urge to jump even when climbing trees, building exteriors, etc.

I want to do it on the beach, I'm afraid of running into the ocean and drowning. What would you say is the probability of this scenario occurring for a first time trip?