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Re: Facebook's advertising integrity chief leaves company

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

nowherebeen wrote: post #193
dcgudeman wrote: post #28

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Honest question, what did Mark Zuckerberg do that makes you think he has “no integrity”?

How about his “copy, acquire, kill” strategy for startups and how he even pretends it’s even remotely fair for a fledging startup to compete with a multi billion dollar company?

I think it’s easy for him to convince himself of this because he started Facebook from nothing. I’m not saying he’s right, but he can point to that and say “why can’t anyone else do that?”

It’s something I’ve witnessed a lot of successful people doing.

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Post by guantanamo_bob »

3gg wrote: post #109
cs702 wrote: post #56

As a corporation, Facebook truly seems to be trying to improve its behavior for the benefit of society at large, but the company is finding it very difficult to do The Right Thing, because it would reduce future revenue growth, shrink long-term profitability, and hurt the company's competitive standing against the many other companies that are trying to eat Facebook's lunch every day. In the extreme, Facebook's choic…

> As a corporation, Facebook truly seems to be trying to improve its behavior for the benefit of society at large. No, it's not. Their social network is engineered entirely and unsurprisingly in support of their bottom line. A social network does not need to be a centralized, free-for-all like Facebook is, but Facebook is that way because that is what works best for their ad revenue. The rapid proliferation of disinf…

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Post by zestyping »

edgyquant wrote: post #182
Tarsul wrote: post #180

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it means he was an asshole then. Thus, higher probability he is an asshole today.

Every 19 year old is an asshole, even the nice ones.

Not so. The vast majority of people at that age do not talk about people the way Zuck did.

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Post by rossdavidh »

sollewitt wrote: post #94
EarthIsHome wrote: post #72

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I think you're on the right track, but it's not just because it's an "advertising-supported" business model. It's the fundamental laws that govern our society: profit. Replace Zuckerberg, Bezos, et al. with anyone else, and the new CEOs' decisions will be bound by the same constraints.

Thought experiment: Cory Doctorow becomes CEO of Facebook with Zuckerberg's entire stock allocation and equivalent voting control. Do you stand by your assertion that nothing changes?

One of two things happens: 1) Cory Doctorow gradually morphs into Zuckerberg 2) Another social network, run more like Facebook is currently, replaces the one that Cory Doctorow is running. The reason Facebook didn't go the way of Friendster, Livejournal, and MySpace, is that he figured out how to play the game (as it currently exists) better than anyone else. Cory Doctorow would be like someone trying to win the Tour de France when everyone else was doping. In this analogy, Zuckerberg is Lance Armstrong, playing the existing game the way you need to play it to win that game.

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Post by tempodox »

absolutelyrad wrote: post #5

"Chief of Advertising Integrity" does anyone take that title seriously? Forget advertising, Facebook and it's CEO himself has no integrity.

“Integrity” (literally: Being whole, not fractured), in that case, means: “Every ad on the planet goes through Facebook”.

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Post by mathattack »

wpietri wrote: post #52
absolutelyrad wrote: post #5

"Chief of Advertising Integrity" does anyone take that title seriously? Forget advertising, Facebook and it's CEO himself has no integrity.

I can't find it now, but I remember a story from somebody in the Lean Manufacturing world about a place that was having safety problems, so they appointed somebody Safety Director. This signaled to everybody that safety was that one guy's problem, not theirs. Accidents went up further and stayed up until they got rid of the Safety Directory position and made everybody responsible for safety. That resonated for me bec…

It’s the plus and minus of specialization. When you have a dedicated QA team it can be harder to hold the devs accountable for the defects QA doesn’t find.

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Post by andrei_says_ »

sorokod wrote: post #43
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #11

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I don’t know that I’d call it doublespeak. There’s a lot to be said for defining a job in terms of what it’s trying to produce rather than what it’s trying to fight.

Like a "Ministry of Peace" for war department?

And “Peace Officer” for police force trained to escalate.

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Post by anthuswilliams »

wpietri wrote: post #54
mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #21

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Pulled straight out of the Moral Mazes playbook, chapter on “dexterity with symbols.”

Oh, interesting! I hadn't heard of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Mazes At this point, its research is nearly 40 years out of date. Is it still worth reading? And are there more up-to-date versions?

The latest printing includes an afterword by the author reflecting on the financial crisis, but most of the book is the original text.

I recommend this book to everyone with a white-collar job. It's an incredible read. The research is a bit out of date, but the truths still hold. If anything, the age of the research is somewhat helpful. The phenomena these days are more subtle, and many of us work in companies with flatter hierarchies than the 25+ level pyramids the author studied. So the distance in time forces you to reflect on what has changed and whether the results are relevant to you.

You will recognize so many of the situations as reminiscent of things you have experienced and haven't been able to put into words. It is 100% worth the read.

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Post by _y5hn »

mcguire wrote: post #208
dcsommer wrote: post #173

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There are pros and cons of having dedicated teams for work that also has to be accomplished by other teams. For instance, it's not a good idea to skip having a security team using the logic that "other teams will just think its that one teams job." The security team provides expertise and (with cooperative management or other teams) can enact policies that influence the rest of the organization to the benefit of secu…

Aww, c'mon, tell me that QA/security/accessibility/whatever isn't regarded as a meaningless hoop to be jumped through as quickly and with the least effort possible so that you can get real work done. Ain't nobody got time for that rigamarole.

With EU laws, GDPR and UX fanatics, many have to do the heavy lifting or risk multimillion dollar fines. So it's changing.

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Post by georgeecollins »

mcguire wrote: post #208
dcsommer wrote: post #173

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There are pros and cons of having dedicated teams for work that also has to be accomplished by other teams. For instance, it's not a good idea to skip having a security team using the logic that "other teams will just think its that one teams job." The security team provides expertise and (with cooperative management or other teams) can enact policies that influence the rest of the organization to the benefit of secu…

Aww, c'mon, tell me that QA/security/accessibility/whatever isn't regarded as a meaningless hoop to be jumped through as quickly and with the least effort possible so that you can get real work done. Ain't nobody got time for that rigamarole.

In games, QA is taken very seriously. I know with games like Cybepunk people think game developers don't care about QA, but I am sure that is a certain circumstance where they chose to ignore problems. On big games you count on QA for feedback.
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