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Re: Facebook's advertising integrity chief leaves company

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Post by _1gwx »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #136
Zelphyr wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel strongly that we’re at the point where one can’t think of Facebook and be ignorant of the problems and the clear abusive practices they have and continue to be engaged in. Every time they get caught they feint an apology and proceed to either ignore the issue, continue that same practice but in a different way, or engage in some new abusive scheme. It is foundational to them because it is fundamentally part of…

Can you explain (with links please) how Facebook are ethically equivalent to tobacco companies (who's product literally (not figuratively) kills people). If you can't, then I'm going to assume that it's mindless hyperbole (a straight to which Facebook, for whatever reason, appears to be prone to).

They are expressing their own opinion, and the comment clearly explains how they draw a parallel between Facebook and tobacco companies. Why do you need a link?

Also, while Facebook may not directly kill people, the hate speech that it helps proliferate does have real consequences for real people. One such instance was in the Muslim genocide in Myanmar. Since you appear to like links a lot, here is one for you:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/facebook-myanma...

Re: Facebook's advertising integrity chief leaves company

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Post by notfromhere »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #136
Zelphyr wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel strongly that we’re at the point where one can’t think of Facebook and be ignorant of the problems and the clear abusive practices they have and continue to be engaged in. Every time they get caught they feint an apology and proceed to either ignore the issue, continue that same practice but in a different way, or engage in some new abusive scheme. It is foundational to them because it is fundamentally part of…

Can you explain (with links please) how Facebook are ethically equivalent to tobacco companies (who's product literally (not figuratively) kills people). If you can't, then I'm going to assume that it's mindless hyperbole (a straight to which Facebook, for whatever reason, appears to be prone to).

It’s a big disinformation network that among other things, fueled ethnic cleansing in Myanmar

Re: Facebook's advertising integrity chief leaves company

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Post by dcsommer »

wpietri wrote: post #52
absolutelyrad wrote: post #5

"Chief of Advertising Integrity" does anyone take that title seriously? Forget advertising, Facebook and it's CEO himself has no integrity.

I can't find it now, but I remember a story from somebody in the Lean Manufacturing world about a place that was having safety problems, so they appointed somebody Safety Director. This signaled to everybody that safety was that one guy's problem, not theirs. Accidents went up further and stayed up until they got rid of the Safety Directory position and made everybody responsible for safety. That resonated for me bec…

There are pros and cons of having dedicated teams for work that also has to be accomplished by other teams. For instance, it's not a good idea to skip having a security team using the logic that "other teams will just think its that one teams job." The security team provides expertise and (with cooperative management or other teams) can enact policies that influence the rest of the organization to the benefit of security. That can't happen without a set of people dedicated to thinking about those problems.

For your QA team example, the mistake made in some organizations is explicitly removing testing from developer's responsibilities.

It's a matter of BOTH/AND -- you need to have BOTH central teams responsible for long term health of {safety,privacy,security,testing,etc.} AND hold developers responsible to deliver the recommendations of and use the tools developed by central teams.

Re: Facebook's advertising integrity chief leaves company

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Post by m463 »

civilized wrote: post #64
m463 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ambiguity is a tool as well. "Advertising" for example could mean the benign "show me a picture of some product" or it could mean "identify who I am, how I behave, where I work, how much I make, who I know, and maintain and share a dossier on all of it"

"...so as to show a slightly more suitable product picture"

suitable... for the highest paying advertiser, not you. (advertiser -> person who wants to sell their product)

Re: Facebook's advertising integrity chief leaves company

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Post by kerng »

cs702 wrote: post #56

As a corporation, Facebook truly seems to be trying to improve its behavior for the benefit of society at large, but the company is finding it very difficult to do The Right Thing, because it would reduce future revenue growth, shrink long-term profitability, and hurt the company's competitive standing against the many other companies that are trying to eat Facebook's lunch every day. In the extreme, Facebook's choic…

If you don't want to be a shitty company, don't build your business on top of a business model that harms people and society.

Re: Facebook's advertising integrity chief leaves company

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Post by petre »

_1gwx wrote: post #171
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain (with links please) how Facebook are ethically equivalent to tobacco companies (who's product literally (not figuratively) kills people). If you can't, then I'm going to assume that it's mindless hyperbole (a straight to which Facebook, for whatever reason, appears to be prone to).

They are expressing their own opinion, and the comment clearly explains how they draw a parallel between Facebook and tobacco companies. Why do you need a link? Also, while Facebook may not directly kill people, the hate speech that it helps proliferate does have real consequences for real people. One such instance was in the Muslim genocide in Myanmar. Since you appear to like links a lot, here is one for you: https…

Their ad delivery network is a vechicle for cyberbulying and hate speech and these things do kill people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/business/hana-kimura-terr...

It's also interesting how Japan tries to quell cyberbullying, while regular bulying is rampant in this country with kids dropping out of school.

Re: Facebook's advertising integrity chief leaves company

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Post by Tarsul »

Reedx wrote: post #61
derivagral wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll use the gawker article[0] about what he thinks of his users: [0] https://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-us...

That's something said by a 19 year old in an instant message. It doesn't mean anything, especially 17 years later.

it means he was an asshole then. Thus, higher probability he is an asshole today.
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