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Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

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Re: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

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After seeing what happened in Armenia & Azerbaijan, I'm wondering if the US's customers are pushing for these cheaper drone options instead of the F35. The F35 has been in development so long, that it's seeing its own combat role supplanted

The F35's competition isn't a comparable enemy aircraft or a drone swarm. It's political corruption and hostile Facebook/Twitter troll farms.

Re: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

#82

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> In any case it's also good military thinking. Or more likely enemies see it as posturing and strike full force, thinking they can pierce the superficial veil of technological supremacy. Come on, security theater is bullshit. How many people actually think the TSA does anything useful? If anything it lulls people into a false sense of safety, making us weaker. If our enemies are so easily deterred that our appearanc…

Hijackings were extremely common prior to flight security. TSA was another level, that was extremely frustrating throughout the 2000s, but at a minimum it prevents wildly unstable people from boarding with weapons Check out this list https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings

I wrote a rebuttal with sources but on second thought, I think you make a good point. I should look at the data more and revisit my stance.

Re: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

#83
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Who are these people, both smart enough and dumb enough, to build the high tech death machines anyway?

I imagine the prospect of being able to play with genuinely unbelievably good equipment has to help when recruiting - e.g. think of the amount of physics, signal processing, aerodynamics, mechanical engineering, materials science etc. used to blow up a plane 50 miles away in a modern active radar guided missile.

Re: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

#84

What does "full-rate production" mean? I searched and find a few military/defense related articles, but none of them really explain it in average Joe's terms.

I think it's a contract checkpoint that signals a major $$$ release to the vendor.

Re: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

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Drones are dependent on an active satellite link to function. What happens if the enemy jams the satellite?

Wouldn’t jamming the satellite affect F-35, too?

Sure but a human doesn't have issue still executing their mission, making decisions based on changing circumstances, and successfully return to base.

Re: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

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Yes and no. The whole thesis of the F-35 is apparently an airborne sensor fusion and electronic warfare platform as well as a modern BVR jet - it's going to be harder to jam because of both redundancy and the amount of hardware real estate the designers can play with to counter said jamming. On the subject of electronic warfare - I assume it's still very classified but given that the current teen series aircraft appa…

Radar jamming and other magic aside, I’m just wondering to what extent the equipment in a modern jet like F-35 depends on satellite link. So to what extent putting a human in the machine actually changes its capability as opposed to a drone with an autonomous mode.

> I’m just wondering to what extent the equipment in a modern jet like F-35 depends on satellite link.

Not very much, the datalink is sort of peer-to-peer - the F-35 is one of the first aircarft to have a satellite datalink.

Re: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

#87

After seeing what happened in Armenia & Azerbaijan, I'm wondering if the US's customers are pushing for these cheaper drone options instead of the F35. The F35 has been in development so long, that it's seeing its own combat role supplanted

Drones should be inherently better anyway since they don’t have to carry 80KG of meat that needs to be kept alive.

Re: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

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Sun Tzu didnt have stealth aircraft. In many ways, if they see enough of you to be intimidated then they can see enough of you to kill you. The f-35 wants to make the kill before the target even realizes it is in danger, let alone sees the aircraft comming. I doubt Sun Tzu would have encouraged his spies or saboteurs to stand out from the crowd.

The enemies of America are presumably meant to see American stealth aircraft in movies and TV shows, not over their capitols. However, I think these airplanes are indeed designed foremost for function. The similar appearances of the B-1 and Tu-160 suggest that when two planes are designed using similar technology with similar mission requirements, they tend to have a lot of similarities. (In the years since they were…

How many decades will it be before we see an F35 used in film?

Re: Pentagon Puts F-35 Full-Rate Production Decision on Hold

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> In any case it's also good military thinking. Or more likely enemies see it as posturing and strike full force, thinking they can pierce the superficial veil of technological supremacy. Come on, security theater is bullshit. How many people actually think the TSA does anything useful? If anything it lulls people into a false sense of safety, making us weaker. If our enemies are so easily deterred that our appearanc…

Hijackings were extremely common prior to flight security. TSA was another level, that was extremely frustrating throughout the 2000s, but at a minimum it prevents wildly unstable people from boarding with weapons Check out this list https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings

> at a minimum it prevents wildly unstable people from boarding with weapons

The TSA reliably fails penetration tests; they miss between 70% and 95% of them. https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa...

What's likely caused hijackings to fall off a cliff is a) reinforced cockpit doors and b) the knowledge of crew and passengers that the hijackers might be homicidal.

Pre-9/11, advice was to cooperate, get the plane on the ground, and negotiate/assault, with pretty good overall results for the passengers. That is... not the advice today.

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