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EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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This is really interesting - do you have any links to the documents you mention?

Yes. Here you can find all the associated documents but I'm talking about Regulation EU 2016/799 and Electronic Logging Device Final Rule specifically. https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/road/social-provisions/... https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/electronic-logg...

Thank you!

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Tech salaries in the US are not sustainable. We don't have enough planets to run economies and waste natural resources at that velocity. Well, probably the same is true for the "pitiful" salaries in the EU. Just to a lesser degree.

Yet tech salaries in Vancouver combined with real estate values make it so that most tech jobs are barely living wage, at least when my partner and I tried hard to make it work some years ago. Even with universal health care (which wasn't quite what they have) it couldn't possibly make up the difference for someone with college debt. I'd argue that if you got a CS degree from an American college you're probably just…

The situation in Vancouver is caused by out of control immigration quotas. Real estate there is a way to park assets in a safe jurisdiction.

Seattle has a much healthier market both for devs and real estate and is only three hours away.

Only difference in healthcare is while american top devs get it on top of their compensation packages, canadians pay for it with their prohibitive income tax rates. It's pretty easy to take the total spending percentage that goes to healthcare and multiply it by your income tax to see how much a dev is really paying for healthcare.

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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You have actually addressed the actual issue here but from wrong perspective. Culture is the issue here. EU tries to live, USA tries to earn. If the only thing that interests you is money then yes, probably USA is the right direction. Of all the people that I know that went working outside of their country, they were mostly going to EU companies (or USA companies in Europe), sometimes to the Asia. None left for USA.…

>Of all the people that I know that went working outside of their country, they were mostly going to EU companies (or USA companies in Europe), sometimes to the Asia. None left for USA. On the other side I know a CTO that left USA for Europe and bought a small property in France where he lives with whole family. Now let me give you actual statistics. In a survey of scientists from 16 countries ( http://spectrum.ieee.…

Aren't Europeans interested in ending this brain drain?

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Do aircraft carriers count in this context? They’re reasonably expensive to produce.

> reasonably expensive The USS Ford is said to cost around 13 billions. I wouldn't call that "reasonable" :) https://usadefensenews.com/2020/11/13/meet-the-us-navys-13-b...

Haha, I know - I should have added a wink emoji after that statement.

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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post #407

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You have actually addressed the actual issue here but from wrong perspective. Culture is the issue here. EU tries to live, USA tries to earn. If the only thing that interests you is money then yes, probably USA is the right direction. Of all the people that I know that went working outside of their country, they were mostly going to EU companies (or USA companies in Europe), sometimes to the Asia. None left for USA.…

>Of all the people that I know that went working outside of their country, they were mostly going to EU companies (or USA companies in Europe), sometimes to the Asia. None left for USA. On the other side I know a CTO that left USA for Europe and bought a small property in France where he lives with whole family. Now let me give you actual statistics. In a survey of scientists from 16 countries ( http://spectrum.ieee.…

Sure, I have never argued with that.

Meanwhile (since 2012) Trump happened, race unrest's, police brutality, corona handling fiasco, Google/FB/Amazon public image is going down, USA public depth has roughly doubled [1] and general perception of USA has changed (to the worse[2]), China is hiring, student depth is going trough the roof (and immigrants want to have children someday), no one believes in "war on terror" any more (talking about EU), Snowden, war on privacy,...

This graph is outdated, did you find some that is up to date? Also interesting one would be how many of those in 2012 survey stayed and where.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/187867/public-debt-of-th...

[2] https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plumm...

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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EU has the tech. ASML is #2 company in EURO STOXX 50 index with 5.69% weight. ASML is the world's largest photolithography systems manufacturer and the only one producing extreme ultraviolet lithography machines. These EUV scanners are expensive as hell. Last years model costs $120 million per piece and you need 10-15 of them for TSMC gigafactory. TWINSCAN NXE:3400C (7 and 5 nm nodes, >170 wafers per hour) is probabl…

> for TSMC gigafactory I thought 'gigafactory' was coined by Tesla/Elon?

Should have said Gigafab GIGAFAB® is TSMC's trade mark.

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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EU has the tech. ASML is #2 company in EURO STOXX 50 index with 5.69% weight. ASML is the world's largest photolithography systems manufacturer and the only one producing extreme ultraviolet lithography machines. These EUV scanners are expensive as hell. Last years model costs $120 million per piece and you need 10-15 of them for TSMC gigafactory. TWINSCAN NXE:3400C (7 and 5 nm nodes, >170 wafers per hour) is probabl…

I’ve heard this often repeated claim about ASML owning the core tech behind TSMC’s 5nm process. However if it was just a question of buying N 200 million dollar machines to launch a 5nm foundry wouldn’t we see dozens of 5nm competitors? Why hasn’t intel , apple, Samsung, or AMD shelled out for 10? Given the size of this commitment it seems clear that there is a lot more to 5nm than the lithography machine.

>it seems clear that there is a lot more to 5nm

Yes there is whole part of equation that has nothing to do with ASML. But the point, to over simplify things a lot was that without ASML there are currently zero chance you could get leading edge node working. But even with it you have barely started.

Look at Intel, Samsung and Global Foundry.

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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EU has the tech. ASML is #2 company in EURO STOXX 50 index with 5.69% weight. ASML is the world's largest photolithography systems manufacturer and the only one producing extreme ultraviolet lithography machines. These EUV scanners are expensive as hell. Last years model costs $120 million per piece and you need 10-15 of them for TSMC gigafactory. TWINSCAN NXE:3400C (7 and 5 nm nodes, >170 wafers per hour) is probabl…

> for TSMC gigafactory I thought 'gigafactory' was coined by Tesla/Elon?

Yes. The correct term for TSMC should be GigaFab, which was used long before Elon coined GigaFactory.

It was named as such because of the scale and capacity of those Fab as compared to other pure play competitor. It was also one reason how TSMC manage to win by Economy of Scale.

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I am not saying it is false. I am just saying that the tax rate makes giving equity very unattractive, which doesn't help employee motivation.

Do you really have a problem of obtaining good devs? Seems to me you can get good personnel in a bargain price in NL. It's also super easy to bring people from outside the EU. That's the main reason I think software devs are so cheap in the EU.

He's not talking about hiring, but motivating people who were already hired.

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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The German army at the gates of Moscow, Stalingrad/Volgagrad, and Lenningrad/St Petersburg found it was no lie. Do not rely on state propaganda, look at the results

Up to 40% of the tanks that fought on the Russian side in these battles were supplied by the British. UK provided a huge amount of war material to the USSR that helped keep it in the war.

I do not think that is true. Maybe 40% of the types of tank.

Some facts from Wikipedia: At the opening of operation Barbarosa the Red Army had four to one advantage over the Nazis in tank numbers.

By 1941 lend lease tanks were 6.5% of Soviet tanks, about a quarter of medium and heavy tanks.

Where do you get "up to 40%" from?

Even if true my point still stands.

According t Alex Nove in 1900 there was not a metal lathe in all of Russia. They could de clinker locomotives, but not make a gear box. By 1941 they were out stripping the Germans.

That is the greatest economic achievement of the twentieth century.

(IMO the Bolsheviks were sadistic psychopaths, but credit where credit is due)

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