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Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)

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Post by solinent »

papandada wrote: post #46
solinent wrote: post #4

I think it's related to the fermentation going on in your stomach. I'm not sure if it's the best way to become satiated. I personally find saturated fats to be much more satiating, I can go without food for a full day without feeling hungry if I eat enough.

Fermentation happens in the gut where all the bacteria is, right? Does fullness in the gut translate to feeling full?

I should have said gut--I've been calling my gut my stomach for too long and have had difficulty stopping that habit.

However, I don't think we really know where satiety comes from yet, that's why we have all of this research on the topic still. There are a few different theories, but I wouldn't call them proven.

It may not be a sensation related to some measure of the volume of matter in your gut. I think it's also related to gut microfauna such as lactobacilla, and appetite is definitely related to the brain as well through the gut, so it probably gets pretty complicated and possibly is very individualized. I'm no expert, but I do read a lot about these topics.

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Post by jasonv »

h0l0cube wrote: post #9
z5h wrote: post #6

The high protein vegetable meal has 4 times the fibre as the high protein meat meal. The next recommended article is Protein from Meat or Vegetable Sources in Meals Matched for Fiber Content has Similar Effects on Subjective Appetite Sensations and Energy Intake-A Randomized Acute Cross-Over Meal Test Study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29337861/

This matches my own observations where swapping a pure 'bran' cereal for any other breakfast meal allows me to feel fuller while eating less. Also, subbing TVP for mince is also a way of increasing fibre and protein at the same time. After hydration TVP is almost double protein by weight compared to store-bought mince (at least where I shop), and it also has a good dose of fibre content, and no fat. Once again, I wen…

I combine cereals..Fiber One with something else. It’s a good way to get the benefit and still enjoy other cereals (still mostly healthy).

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Post by anti-shill »

eloff wrote: post #26
h0l0cube wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This matches my own observations where swapping a pure 'bran' cereal for any other breakfast meal allows me to feel fuller while eating less. Also, subbing TVP for mince is also a way of increasing fibre and protein at the same time. After hydration TVP is almost double protein by weight compared to store-bought mince (at least where I shop), and it also has a good dose of fibre content, and no fat. Once again, I wen…

For anyone else wondering what TVP is, it's textured vegetable protein (soy). It turns out I eat it all the time in microwave burritos, because it saves the manufacturer money to mix it with the ground beef.

what is funny is that there is no cheap TVP for sale in the stores...you can get the substitute meat patties (mostly soy) etc for sale in many grocery stores, but it is not cheap at all...costs considerably more than the cheapest hamburger, pork or chicken...if the food manufacturers can save money by using TVP mixed in with meat, then why is there no cheap TVP for sale in the stores ?

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Post by hombre_fatal »

chrisseaton wrote: post #30
dukeofdoom wrote: post #29

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This is the standard way this is discussed. Most people aim for 1 gram of protein per 1 lb of body weight.

Yeah but I mean why mix imperial and metric units in the same situation? Seems mind-bending and error-prone.

Can you explain what you think is confusing about 1g per 1lb?

I suspect you're cargo culting "never mix units!" without realizing that the advice is talking about denominating the same thing in different units (thus having to do conversion).

I'd be curious to see your explanation of the mind bending and error prone nature of "ok, I weigh 200lbs and now I will ensure I get 200g of protein today" and the exact scenario where you think it would pose a problem. Frankly I think you'd realize it doesn't exist.

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Post by Miner49er »

alltakendamned wrote: post #49
nmfisher wrote: post #11

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Yeah, this clashes with my experience too. I experimented with vegetarian meals a few months back and found I could eat literally 1kg+ of cooked lentils/beans/etc and still feel hungry. <500g of chicken breast (plus vegetables), on the other hand, would see me through.

You eat a kilo worth of food in a single meal ? Do you dig trenches for a living or what ?

That's ~1300 calories - seems reasonable for a meal.

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Post by PretzelPirate »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #24
nmfisher wrote: post #11

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Yeah, this clashes with my experience too. I experimented with vegetarian meals a few months back and found I could eat literally 1kg+ of cooked lentils/beans/etc and still feel hungry. <500g of chicken breast (plus vegetables), on the other hand, would see me through.

> Yeah, this clashes with my experience too. Ultimately, as with all biological systems, its hard to make absolute assertions of the most optimal diet (the sample size in this trial is n=43 which is pretty small when you consider the variation in peoples gut biomes due to genetics and lifestyle) be it full carnivore to the strictest form of veganism, there will always be people who can perform on these diets. But mos…

Did you actually cook those animal products at the vegan/veg restaurant? If so, that was very rude of you.

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Post by xwdv »

z5h wrote: post #6

The high protein vegetable meal has 4 times the fibre as the high protein meat meal. The next recommended article is Protein from Meat or Vegetable Sources in Meals Matched for Fiber Content has Similar Effects on Subjective Appetite Sensations and Energy Intake-A Randomized Acute Cross-Over Meal Test Study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29337861/

I don’t get the obsession with fiber. Cramming as much fiber as you can into every meal makes eating a slog and makes it less likely you’ll be able to pack in all your daily macronutrients, because you’ll feel too full to eat.

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Post by [deleted] »

jtdev wrote: post #45
bitexploder wrote: post #39

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Mostly amino acids. There are simple rules to follow to ensure you get complete nutrition and amino acid profiles. Otherwise what nutrients are you really missing?

Just things like Choline, but feel free to starve your brain (literally and figuratively) if you really want to: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190829184143.h...

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Post by Dowwie »

xmaaayyy wrote: post #19
Dowwie wrote: post #18

Tempeh is a great source of protein and easy enough for many people to make at home. You can add it as a source of protein to a wide range of dishes with surprising results. It's even good when cubed and added to spaghetti marinara as a meatball substitute.

Warning to all; if this is your first time eating something soy based, I’d go for tofu or TVP before tempeh. Tempeh is fermented so it can be a bit strong, where tofu and TVP are still high in protein but take on other flavours more easily.

That's like, your opinion-- xmaaaayyy. :) Tempeh isn't that bold a move. It depends on how it's made, really. Maybe the stuff you've had is strong. We quality control here by making it from scratch.

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Post by chrisseaton »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #54
chrisseaton wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but I mean why mix imperial and metric units in the same situation? Seems mind-bending and error-prone.

Can you explain what you think is confusing about 1g per 1lb? I suspect you're cargo culting "never mix units!" without realizing that the advice is talking about denominating the same thing in different units (thus having to do conversion). I'd be curious to see your explanation of the mind bending and error prone nature of "ok, I weigh 200lbs and now I will ensure I get 200g of protein today" and the exact scenario…

Because if you're in a country that measures in metric you have to convert one side from imperial, and if you're in a country that measures in imperial you have to convert one side from metric.
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