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Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
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Re: Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
#22The high protein vegetable meal has 4 times the fibre as the high protein meat meal. The next recommended article is Protein from Meat or Vegetable Sources in Meals Matched for Fiber Content has Similar Effects on Subjective Appetite Sensations and Energy Intake-A Randomized Acute Cross-Over Meal Test Study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29337861/
This matches my own observations where swapping a pure 'bran' cereal for any other breakfast meal allows me to feel fuller while eating less. Also, subbing TVP for mince is also a way of increasing fibre and protein at the same time. After hydration TVP is almost double protein by weight compared to store-bought mince (at least where I shop), and it also has a good dose of fibre content, and no fat. Once again, I wen…
What is TVP?
Re: Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
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Re: Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
#24This is interesting and clashes with my personal experience. I eat two vegetarian meals a day which usually include beans, eggs, or oats. In my experience meat is considerably more satiating than meals with beans or eggs but less satiating than the meals with oats.
Yeah, this clashes with my experience too. I experimented with vegetarian meals a few months back and found I could eat literally 1kg+ of cooked lentils/beans/etc and still feel hungry. <500g of chicken breast (plus vegetables), on the other hand, would see me through.
> Yeah, this clashes with my experience too.
Ultimately, as with all biological systems, its hard to make absolute assertions of the most optimal diet (the sample size in this trial is n=43 which is pretty small when you consider the variation in peoples gut biomes due to genetics and lifestyle) be it full carnivore to the strictest form of veganism, there will always be people who can perform on these diets. But most people fall within the averages, and thus personal experimentation is required to adjust and refine for one's own use.
I worked at a highly acclaimed Vegan and Vegetarian farm to table, and for the life of me I couldn't even get my body to adjust to eating seitan or tempeh as a main source of protein. I'd eat tons of salads with qunioa and legumes and still feel fatigued all day and I drank tons of kombucha to try and make the most use of the additional fiber. Ultimately I gave up after 2 weeks and just ended up bringing in my own grass fed beef and cooking it in tallow or goose fat after service with all the veg sauted in the pan as sides and felt way better. I had a horrible mental fog and dull headache the entire time, my body felt sluggish and I felt like I was not sleeping well for those 2 weeks and I don't think I'd cope with that for very long as I have a hard time keeping my weight up as it is.
After spending the better part of decade on matters related to diet and longer if I include self experimentation, I've come to realize its far more Art than it is Science and that one shoe does not and cannot fit all.
Obviously we should reduce our meat consumption in the West, and opt for smaller, organic and grass fed cuts of better quality meat cooked in good animal fats in our diet but phasing it out entirely seems like an unobtainable panacea to me at best, and a horrible existence for most like myself.
But Life is too short to suffer through more than one bad meal a month, and I work to damn hard to not enjoy myself for the 1 meal I eat a day now. Which is often a 4:1 ratio of Veg/Carb to meat.
Context: I grew up eating tofu as a kid, so I was no stranger to eating soy based protein but it was usually as a side dish or a garnish in a soup rather than meal itself.
Re: Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
This matches my own observations where swapping a pure 'bran' cereal for any other breakfast meal allows me to feel fuller while eating less. Also, subbing TVP for mince is also a way of increasing fibre and protein at the same time. After hydration TVP is almost double protein by weight compared to store-bought mince (at least where I shop), and it also has a good dose of fibre content, and no fat. Once again, I wen…
What is TVP?
Textured Vegetable Protein, a soy-based product.
Re: Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
#26The high protein vegetable meal has 4 times the fibre as the high protein meat meal. The next recommended article is Protein from Meat or Vegetable Sources in Meals Matched for Fiber Content has Similar Effects on Subjective Appetite Sensations and Energy Intake-A Randomized Acute Cross-Over Meal Test Study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29337861/
This matches my own observations where swapping a pure 'bran' cereal for any other breakfast meal allows me to feel fuller while eating less. Also, subbing TVP for mince is also a way of increasing fibre and protein at the same time. After hydration TVP is almost double protein by weight compared to store-bought mince (at least where I shop), and it also has a good dose of fibre content, and no fat. Once again, I wen…
For anyone else wondering what TVP is, it's textured vegetable protein (soy). It turns out I eat it all the time in microwave burritos, because it saves the manufacturer money to mix it with the ground beef.
Re: Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
#27Vegan protein powder tastes pretty great. I use a Costco brand. You can add it to almost any meal. If you are lifting weights, its almost impossible to get enough vegan sources of protein to meet the 1g / 1 lb of body weight that is usually recommended.
Actually, if anyone knows how to put together 150g+ protein /day on a vegan diet in under 2100 calories I would be interested. I would switch over at least a few of my days to vegan.
Re: Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
#28Vegan protein powder tastes pretty great. I use a Costco brand. You can add it to almost any meal. If you are lifting weights, its almost impossible to get enough vegan sources of protein to meet the 1g / 1 lb of body weight that is usually recommended. Actually, if anyone knows how to put together 150g+ protein /day on a vegan diet in under 2100 calories I would be interested. I would switch over at least a few of m…
> 1g / 1 lb
Why would you mix units like this?!
Re: Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
#29Vegan protein powder tastes pretty great. I use a Costco brand. You can add it to almost any meal. If you are lifting weights, its almost impossible to get enough vegan sources of protein to meet the 1g / 1 lb of body weight that is usually recommended. Actually, if anyone knows how to put together 150g+ protein /day on a vegan diet in under 2100 calories I would be interested. I would switch over at least a few of m…
> 1g / 1 lb Why would you mix units like this?!
This is the standard way this is discussed. Most people aim for 1 gram of protein per 1 lb of body weight.
Re: Meals based on vegetable protein sources (beans and peas) are more satiating (2016)
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 1g / 1 lb Why would you mix units like this?!
This is the standard way this is discussed. Most people aim for 1 gram of protein per 1 lb of body weight.
Yeah but I mean why mix imperial and metric units in the same situation? Seems mind-bending and error-prone.