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EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Article says this is for 2-3 years? Seems crazy. Semi-conductor R&D is something where I would expect commitments to be 10 years or more, not just a couple of years...

It's not like we're starting from scratch though, we already have companies and people with ample experience in this field. Not to say that it's not a huge bar to clear or that I don't expect massive delays but I think it's a good thing overall.

I mean until recently ARM was based in an EU country.

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could get into chip dev for that amount of investment money. But of course EU will just waste the money as always.

> But of course EU will just waste the money as always. As someone working in HPC and EU projects related to this subject, I don't think they'll waste it. Current HPC and processor push is very real now.

EU’s decreasing GDP share in the world shows that EU is wasting lots of money by trying to pick winners. Just having low tax for small tech companies like in Shanghai would incentivize people to work on new great ideas, but I don’t see it happening.

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Are there any companies in EU who are developing chips now? I only know ASML but that only makes the wafers. I ask as I can't imagine the government doing this. So there must be some company behind this deal.

Yes, there are. One of our project partners (in a different EU project) has a fab for large structures. I don't know what I can legally share beyond that, and also don't want to put wrong info here since I don't know the hardware details well enough (did software work higher up the stack and only have to care for the ISA) ;)

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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2nm tech, and not only just the tech, but the whole fab for it in two-three years? that how eu is spending 145 billions while allocating 1bn to fighting covid?

> allocating 1bn to fighting covid

No sure what you mean here. Seems like the EU recovery package is €1,824B. Also, in Sept and Oct they allocated €87.9B in financial support.

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Listening to the EU bang on about state subsidies (they are very worried UK might subsidize some industry) always makes me laugh.

The EU farm and many other policies are basically state aid. I’m not against it, but stop with the hypocritical denouncements.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mind that at all. Covid requres just one vaccine and a bit of time and disrupts mostly businesses that produce just human powered entertainment (and health services which is the worst thing about it). While making the whole new generation of most important machines and landing beyond current cutting edge seem like both pricey and worthwhile endeavor.

bold to assume any new generation machine will come out of this, meanwhile real business that produced real wealth are closing down.

> real business that produced real wealth are closing down.

Could you please share some examples? I'm genuinely curious.

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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It’s almost become normal now that bureaucrats get to decide which social group to spend money on, or which region to renovate buildings in, but the arrogance of thinking you can spend your way to the most cutting edge of current technology is just the next level of bureaucratic arrogance.

The US recently spent their way into a cutting edge private space launch provider industry, and that seems like a roaring success. What makes you think it doesn't work?

Re: EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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So, we're getting an Airbus for Chips? Or will it more be like our Ariane missiles?

Ariane has / had a similar reputation to Airbus, the only problem with it is that SpaceX lapped everyone. There were some really bad European projects in IT though, like that big search engine project, Quaero, that didn't deliver any end-user product in eight years and was then cancelled.
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