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UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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As a Scotsman, this is a sad day. My only hope is that we leave the Union and that Ireland can work out it's differences and pursue reunification. There is nothing else left for it. A tragic time to be British and nothing to celebrate here.

I'm a londoner, we want out too. No one likes the English regions, they're lazy and stupid. Sorry they've dragged you along on this ride to hell...

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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post #38

Time to emigrate from the U.K. to a more enlightened country. What countries would you go to as an English expat for a better life? Where can you change a useless English citizenship for another?

Sealand? [0]

[0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/08/will-happen-seal...

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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Except the ex-colonies want nothing to do with the UK. We can smell the fear and desperation. There is nothing in it for us. We aren't going to bail out the UK or take the influx of economic refugees.

> Except the ex-colonies want nothing to do with the UK. That's a wild exaggeration. The UK is a tremendous export market for the US, we want everything to do with them, there is a lot in it for us ($700 billion per decade in purchased goods). Plus we have a rough split on trade, one of the few major nations we don't have a large trade deficit with. The British import more US goods than the Germans do, and nearly as…

In the context of this subthread about CANZUK, we're talking about Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, not the US. That said, sure, those countries have plenty of ties to the UK as well.

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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post #15

Yay. Now we're free. Oh wait, no, it's just that absolutely everything got harder, more expensive, more nationalistic, more pathetic and sad. It's all incredibly depressing. Here's hoping our kids manage to vote us back in as soon as those Tory f's are out.

> Here's hoping our kids manage to vote us back in New old people are created every day. So I wouldn't necessarily count on it. I hope you're right though.

It's almost entropic really - there was a genuinely depressing YouGov graph from a few years ago which plotted the number of people who actually think the EU is an important issue vs. time: The number is almost nil (even the wonks didn't care) until the year/s directly leading up to the referendum.

Europe is a tricky problem, but the way Brexit specifically has happened (Lie, Damned Lies, and fake statistics - at best) means the only real lesson from this is that referenda are truly disastrous for complex policy decisions.

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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post #63
post #60

As a Scotsman, this is a sad day. My only hope is that we leave the Union and that Ireland can work out it's differences and pursue reunification. There is nothing else left for it. A tragic time to be British and nothing to celebrate here.

As an Englishman, I'm entirely in favor of Scottish independence. It would save us a considerable amount of money.

And griefs.

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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> Here's hoping our kids manage to vote us back in New old people are created every day. So I wouldn't necessarily count on it. I hope you're right though.

Those new old people will have a bit less nostalgia for the world wars and the empire.

I believe Mark Francois is to be used to train an AI to have CaaS - there's hope yet!

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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Agree. I personally think Labour blew it, big time. But: the lies that got us out of the EU were pretty unstoppable. Selling an out message on the back of sensationalist, shock messages was an easy PR hit. We'll see. Personally, I'll always feel and be European. I reckon we'll be back.

It's perfectly consistent to feel European and also feel that EU membership is not a net positive for the UK. Being pro-Brexit does not make one less of a European.

Yeah sure, as long as you get your paperwork ready and book your visas ahead of time

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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post #70
post #15

Yay. Now we're free. Oh wait, no, it's just that absolutely everything got harder, more expensive, more nationalistic, more pathetic and sad. It's all incredibly depressing. Here's hoping our kids manage to vote us back in as soon as those Tory f's are out.

Personal opinion. Tribalism prevails, humans have no fix. Perhaps in another reality or dimension it is conceivable for people to come together and form a truly resourceful world government. Wait till you see how the lack of world coordination keeps this virus thriving in half of the planet. While we plot beautiful statistics to show which tribe has less cases in a non-uniform response. Hail the great UK for awakenin…

This was not tribalism. The vote was on a knife’s edge, and only after many years of anti-European sentiment stirred up by conservative and other Euro-skeptic sections of the media. We can squarely blame Rupert Murdoch for this, even if he did not directly pull the strings. People routinely vote against their best interests because they are convinced to do so by a pervasive, aggressive, psychologically damaging mass media, which is now exacerbated by social media.

Re: UK formally leaves European Union after 48 years

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post #15

Yay. Now we're free. Oh wait, no, it's just that absolutely everything got harder, more expensive, more nationalistic, more pathetic and sad. It's all incredibly depressing. Here's hoping our kids manage to vote us back in as soon as those Tory f's are out.

At least your representatives are not about to have a vote on if your democracy should pay attention to the results of its own elections.
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