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Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Even when Amazon reviews are legitimate, keep in mind that the reviewer may have been looking for something different than you are. Plenty of times I've bought stuff expecting one level of quality based on review scores, but got something less--all because I had a higher standard of what should be a 5 than most of the people who bought that.

one of the reasons why reading negative reviews is often helpful: there you often can figure out if the complaints about quality are from people with your standards or from people with higher ones. (after you filter out all the people who don't understand the difference between a product review and a review of their local postal service of course...)

It's almost always the negative reviews which convinces me to buy a product. The positive reviews rarely have much information.

The negative reviews far more often will tell me where the weaknesses and problems are so I can determine if they are things that matter to me.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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I had this problem literally half an hour ago. Looking for power strips, and the top rated one (average > 4.5 stars) thankfully has customer pictures showing extremely flimsy connections and soldering, a huge fire hazard.

Looking for smart Christmas tree light for next year and the listing go from sketchy Chinese stuff with clearly manufactured reviews to outright fraudulent products that use images straight off name brand advertisement for their knock-off lights

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Bait-and-switch doesn't matter if Amazon doesn't care about fake and paid-for reviews. I was looking for dashcams and came across this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/iiwey-Channels-included-Dashboard-D... 91% 5-star reviews, a lot of the reviews are from "Top XXX reviewer", and almost every one seems to be reading off a script. If you check out all the profiles of these "Top XX" reviewers, they all seem to be non-stop pur…

A simple test for quality - if the clam shell/body is made of ABS (instead of polycarbonate or nylon), it's very likely bad. The dashcam appears ABS, judging from the pics.

You can return stuff back when bought online in 14days, I think this part remains after the 1st of Jan.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they take a percent off the top as the payment processor. And even if you return an item, they're not going to return that fee. When the seller fulfills the order it's even better ,amazon has almost no cost for the entire transaction. They won't care until people start ditching them in large numbers, not the trickle the dissatisfied in these comments (myself included) represent.

I'm assuming through their (in)famous hiring process, that they have smart/competent people around. They for sure know that this kind of thing will turn people off the platform long term. Devil advocate: Could it be that the problem is actually quite complex due to whatever reason?

Kodak hired smart people too and they all worked towards its demise.

If everybody's incentives are geared towards quarterly results no way in hell they're going to be the ones to fix the fraud in their area if it's actually making their division $$$.

There's almost certainly a tragedy of the commons effect going on here (where the commons is trust in Amazon).

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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There's a somewhat pervasive idea that advertising and brand recognition are coercive tools that will ultimately die out, replaced by better objective information about products. I'm kind of partial to this idea myself. But increasingly we seem a long way from achieving this. Amazon reviews have become such garbage, I've fallen back to pretty much relying on name brands as my placeholder for product quality. There's…

Brands aren't perfect either. For example Volvo had a reputation for making great safe cars. The brand is now owned by a company with a reputation for making cars that disintegrate and obliterate the occupants in crash tests.

The same is true of Arc'teryx, Jaguar, and many other well known brands that have been sold off to companies with terrible reputations for quality.

Ultimately the only way to guarantee quality would be to vote for politicians who support strong regulations and a strong regulatory apparatus.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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I don't know about you folks, but I've received so many "new" items from Amazon that were clearly used that I have largely stopped shopping there for expensive items. I think it's still fine for small gifts, plastic utensils, etc. But anything over 100 bucks I try to buy directly off the manufacturer's website.

I think Amazon needs to get a handle on their sellers and reviews ASAP because I am rapidly losing faith in the store.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I myself am convinced that brand recognition is on borrowed time - that is, recognition of old brands may still work as useful filter, but new quality brands will be near-impossible to establish. The reason for that: we're being DDoSed with brands on e-commerce sites. For an increasing amount of product categories, you're going to find 10+ "brands" on Amazon that are selling the same white-label garbage class product…

Brands still arise out of that. I buy Spigen cases. Anker cables. If I want a low-cost but workable set of headphones for the kids, "MPOW" devices fit the bill. I know that Amazon Basics keyboards and mice will be satisfactory given the price. These do emerge.

Similarly, Anker, Choetech, and a few others to a certain extent.

Some of them come from the ashes of Alibaba rebrands, but a few start making decent products and are at least at what I'd consider "Belkin-level" but at a better price point.

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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post #53

There's a somewhat pervasive idea that advertising and brand recognition are coercive tools that will ultimately die out, replaced by better objective information about products. I'm kind of partial to this idea myself. But increasingly we seem a long way from achieving this. Amazon reviews have become such garbage, I've fallen back to pretty much relying on name brands as my placeholder for product quality. There's…

Unfortunately Amazon's UI is actually pretty hostile to this, too. I was trying to buy simple USB cables... After a pair of tablets were destroyed by a bad USB cable, I'm picky about usb micro cables. So I tried to search on Amazon for usb a to micro cables... And the brand filter didn't list many of the brands I was seeing in the resultset. Like, I know you have Monoprice and Belkin cables, I'm looking right at them…

This comment caught my attention are bad cables really destroying your tablets? I ask because I literally power all my phones and tablets with cords I bought at the dollar store. Never had any problems. Have I just been lucky?

Re: Amazon still hasn’t fixed its problem with bait-and-switch reviews

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post #32

There's a somewhat pervasive idea that advertising and brand recognition are coercive tools that will ultimately die out, replaced by better objective information about products. I'm kind of partial to this idea myself. But increasingly we seem a long way from achieving this. Amazon reviews have become such garbage, I've fallen back to pretty much relying on name brands as my placeholder for product quality. There's…

Amusingly enough if you trace the history of brand names ... this is why they started! And this is the strength that the major retailers have against Amazon - if Amazon won't police (and they have problems with commingling counterfeit brands, too) then Walmart and Target will jump ahead.

I go to Walmart or the grocery store if I need stuff from Amazon that may be counterfeit.

Batteries, for example.

Amazon is throwing away money.

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