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https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-nike-coca-cola-lobbied...
Passed the House, has not yet passed in the Senate.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6210
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What? Paying someone (a pittance, mind) doesn't make forced labor not slavery. Read the 13th amendment.
Paying someone for labor kind of does make it not slavery - by the very definition of the word "slave" and "slavery". Or are you attempting to redefine the word "slave"?
It's illegal, of course, because it's literally slavery despite the window-dressing of money changing hands. But the slaves are vulnerable and don't necessarily know it's illegal, or they're threatened.
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If you buy an iPhone, you're complicit in human slavery. Period. Don't even try to explain yourself out of it.
Then by extension if you buy any computer, consumer electronics, smartphone, manufactured toy, etc, you are complicit in human slavery. There are almost no computer or smartphone companies which do not participate in these markets. Samsung, Dell, HP, Lenovo (which is a Chinese company yet oddly gets ignored every time these discussions come up), Microsoft, LG, etc etc etc. All of them participate in these same indust…
And yet the headline only says Apple. I asked why HN also used Apple in the headline given it is inaccurate in another comment but that was downvoted.
What will these poor soul's fate be if/when they can't be forced to work?
Hard to tell on the internet.
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Sounds like the kneeling really got to some people!
The President's casual tweeting really got to some people too. Weird. Perhaps it's a common and reasonable response to be concerned when an imprecise arrogant messenger amplifies tribalism and grievance politics.
Does HN have to use the same Apple-baiting headline as The Washington Post? Lens Technology sells to all mobile phone makers. They are a massive public company with many customers... https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/business/international/ho...
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There is a big difference between slave/forced labor and paying for cheap labor. Majority of your examples state something along the lines of "paying inmates peanuts to make expensive things"... which literally is not the definition of slave labor. The article is about literal Chinese Slave Labor camps. There is no comparison with any of the things in your list. Most people would also agree, providing a purpose - job…
“The article is about literal Chinese Slave Labor camps” Actually it’s not... did you read it? The central allegation is that a few thousand Xinjiang Muslims were offered employment possibly in exchange for political indoctrination. There’s a side allegation that prisoners are also being put to work in factories. There’s no allegation let alone evidence that this is without compensation. And the pennies offered in US…
"Offered employment in exchange for political indoctrination"? What exactly does that mean?
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> 'American workers should not have to compete with slave labor!' That's a powerful point! This is a big issue that will affect our lives & the lives of generations to come. Not to mention National Security issues & living in safe/strong neighborhoods. There are many reasons to promote ethical behavior & transparency with suppliers, on par with US standards. Ensuring that suppliers are ethical also disincentives indu…
> Ensuring that suppliers are ethical also disincentives industry/labor from leaving the US, as labor & compliance costs will be equalized. We want lower-paying jobs to leave, to be replaced by higher paying jobs. I think the focus should be on the latter: improve people's skill and productivity, and make sure that people can make the transition from the old jobs to the new, including a proper social safety net to se…
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I take issue with describing it as "voluntary", when the alternative is a longer prison sentence. It is paid a pittance, and is effectively involuntary.
> when the alternative is a longer prison sentence That's simply untrue.
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The article is talking about something very specific. Muslims being forced into labor camps against their will. The US has it's share of problems - nobody sane would deny that. But, what the US does do that the CCP does not is allow the open discourse of it's problems, and to change it's policies if people agree. Even the very numbers that come from the CCP regarding their prison population are extremely suspect - th…
I think you're being earnest so I'll dive into this thread for a few more minutes before I go back to work. Because I'm being earnest too: If the West wants to influence internal China policy, it needs either a clear moral high ground for Chinese citizens to refer to, or clear economic upper hand. It doesn't have the latter right now (maybe never will again), and as this thread demonstrates, it doesn't have the forme…
Am I missing something here?