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They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention. That is slavery. There's also the problem with them getting gutted for the organ transplants that China's own doctors have reported to be 4 times higher than they should be for the population size. So it is work, or go to detention and possibly get gutted.
What sources are you getting the organ transplants information from?
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#272Re: Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor in China
#273And yet Tim Cook has the cheek to get 'woke'. Apple could easily afford to build everything in a country that isn't an awful dictatorship running concentration camps and still earn obscene profits. And yet they still somehow maintain this aura of being the 'good guys'...
Apple's supply chain is more than 1,000 companies. Do you really think Apple has the expertise and personnel to replicate what 1,000 companies have spent decades mastering? Not likely.
No company on earth has ever been able to make a smartphone entirely themselves, and no company ever will, although i'd like to be proven wrong.
Re: Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor in China
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention. That is slavery. There's also the problem with them getting gutted for the organ transplants that China's own doctors have reported to be 4 times higher than they should be for the population size. So it is work, or go to detention and possibly get gutted.
> They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention This also seems to describe prison labor that occurs in the US, which, putting problems and criticisms aside, is definitely different from slavery. I don't think the imprecision in language is helpful, it hurts the cause in the same way people constantly referring to…
> This also seems to describe prison labor that occurs in the US, which [...] is definitely different from slavery
Did you sleep though civics class? Go read the thirteenth amendment.
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#275And yet Tim Cook has the cheek to get 'woke'. Apple could easily afford to build everything in a country that isn't an awful dictatorship running concentration camps and still earn obscene profits. And yet they still somehow maintain this aura of being the 'good guys'...
If you buy an iPhone, you're complicit in human slavery.
Period.
Don't even try to explain yourself out of it.
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#276Re: Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor in China
#277And yet Tim Cook has the cheek to get 'woke'. Apple could easily afford to build everything in a country that isn't an awful dictatorship running concentration camps and still earn obscene profits. And yet they still somehow maintain this aura of being the 'good guys'...
If you buy an iPhone, you're complicit in human slavery. Period. Don't even try to explain yourself out of it.
please list smartphones i can buy that have no suppliers with any history of human rights issues thank you
Re: Apple’s longtime supplier accused of using forced labor in China
#278"Forced Labor" is an active form of "Slavery". "Detention" is a passive form of "Slavery".
So the choice at hand is Slavery vs, Slavery.
A note to the pedantic among us: I did not say "Chattel Slavery", "Modern Slavery", or any other modifiers. The Cambridge English dictionary defines slavery as "The activity of legally owning other people who are forced to work for or obey you" and "The condition of being legally owned by someone else and forced to work for or obey them".
I think we can safely say that this case applies, specifically because, in that country, this system of activity is "Legal".
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> It was major news that prisoners were sent to fight fires in California for little to no pay. Just to make sure nobody is confused by this, because the subject comes up a lot - prisoner firefighers are volunteers.
Just to make sure no one is confused by this either, there is no "volunteer[ing]" in prison.
Just to make sure no one is confused by this, jobs in prison are a privilege you have to earn through good behavior.
Firefighting jobs are the most coveted because you get to leave prison grounds, and as of 2020, can now be employed as a firefighter upon release (in CA).
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Apple fans don’t seem to care, as long as they are getting their magic, nothing else matters...
I'm not an Apple fan, probably more of an Apple hater, but why is Apple the bad guy for seeking cheaper labor? Why is it the consumers problem that China allows it's citizens to be treated like shit? Why is this ethical responsibility somehow always offloaded to the consumer?
> Why is this ethical responsibility somehow always offloaded to the consumer?
Because without consumer, there would be no incentive for either China and Apple to behave amorally.
China is a totalitarian dictatorship. As long as it's citizens don't rebel, they have no incentive to change their behavior. Apple is a publicly traded company. They need good publicity.
So, as a humanist, I say it's up to the consumers to force Apple to stop contributing to human rights abuses.