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Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

tyingq wrote: post #46
rawgabbit wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How to ID a MAX. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-identify-boeing-737-max-l...

Odd that it doesn't mention the sawtooth pattern on the rear of the engine cowling, or the flat bottom shape of the engine as you look into the intake, versus the normal round shape for non-max/leap engines. Either of those is easy to spot from far away.

I don't think that's right. Didn't several generations of 737 before MAX have that flattened engine bottom? I think I've been seeing it for considerably longer than MAX has been around.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

LatteLazy wrote: post #54

In fairness, every pilot who's even mediocre should be well aware of MCAS, its issues and how to turn it off. The real question is what else have Boeing half arsed?

The investigation turned up a few non-MCAS-related things, and required that they be fixed. I don't recall specifics - something about a wire that could become damaged?

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by tyingq »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #61
tyingq wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd that it doesn't mention the sawtooth pattern on the rear of the engine cowling, or the flat bottom shape of the engine as you look into the intake, versus the normal round shape for non-max/leap engines. Either of those is easy to spot from far away.

I don't think that's right. Didn't several generations of 737 before MAX have that flattened engine bottom? I think I've been seeing it for considerably longer than MAX has been around.

Ah, yes, searching a bit, you appear to be right about the flat bottom. I believe the sawtooth edge is still correct though.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by slumdev »

tyingq wrote: post #49
slumdev wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can look up the plane by its tail number. But you're still at the mercy of the airline. If they do an equipment swap, you're not entitled to change or cancel. You'd only have the option not to fly, forfeiting the cost of your ticket. As someone else in this thread said, just fly Delta (domestically).

Southwest doesn't have change fees, so long as you cancel at least 10 minutes before the scheduled flight time. Assuming they had all their aircraft flying, the MAX aircraft are about 5 percent of the fleet.

Southwest's service is pretty thin in some places. Highly likely you won't get a flight the same day if you cancel to avoid the 737-HCF. Then, you have to explain to Great Aunt Greta why you won't be at Thanksgiving.

Better just to avoid Southwest.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by jerbs »

tyingq wrote: post #46
rawgabbit wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How to ID a MAX. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-identify-boeing-737-max-l...

Odd that it doesn't mention the sawtooth pattern on the rear of the engine cowling, or the flat bottom shape of the engine as you look into the intake, versus the normal round shape for non-max/leap engines. Either of those is easy to spot from far away.

The CFM 56 on the 737 (NG or Classic) also has a flat bottom. E.g., [1] shows a 737-800 with an engine with a flat bottom, and [2] shows a 737-300 with an engine with a flat bottom.

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CFM_56_Lauda_737.jpg [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Classic_Colors_South...

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by brnt »

sokoloff wrote: post #60
amyjess wrote: post #19

...and once the pandemic is over and I start flying again, I'm going to fly exclusively with Spirit from now on.

I'd rather punch myself in the face than fly Spirit again. (They're as safe as any other US airline; they just operate like a worse-Ryanair.)

Worse than Ryanair? Ouch!

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by jerbs »

slumdev wrote: post #39
882661830 wrote: post #2

I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/Max etc

You can look up the plane by its tail number. But you're still at the mercy of the airline. If they do an equipment swap, you're not entitled to change or cancel. You'd only have the option not to fly, forfeiting the cost of your ticket. As someone else in this thread said, just fly Delta (domestically).

Your second line is simply not true. Both American [1] and United [2] have committed to waiving change fees if you don't want to fly on a 737 MAX. Southwest is farther away from bringing the MAX back into service, so they have less detail on their site [3], but it sounds like they'll do something similar.

[1] https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/737-MAX-return-to-servic...

[2] https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/aircraf... (under "What if I don't want to fly on a MAX?")

[3] https://www.southwest.com/737-max/#return-to-service-plan (under "What are Customers' options if they don't want to fly on a 737 MAX?")

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by zeristor »

How many total 737 MAX MCAS events occurred?

If two ended in crashes, I’d expect there to be twenty or so similar events that the pilots were able resolve.

Or was it a case that there were only two flights with faulty pitot tubes that ended in crashes.

I not a pilot, so I may have glosses over details, apologies in advance.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by tyingq »

breitling wrote: post #13

In a few months time, it will be interesting to see the data showing the differences in bookings for 800-Max vs other planes. I imagine many people will try to avoid the Max and book other planes.

The revenue management systems will add more discounted fares to underbooked flights to drive bookings. So you would likely have to watch average fare as well. Certainly there's a large portion of the public that don't care or don't know.
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