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Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/Max etc

I don't think Southwest removed anything. From what I recall, it's always been on the flight status pages for both mobile and desktop. For the flight shopping pages, it's always been on desktop, but never on mobile.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can avoid the airlines that fly the Max altogether. Unfortunately it looks like Delta is the only major US airline that does not own any. Spirit and JetBlue also do not have any. United, American, and Southwest all operate the Max. I would avoid those airlines for routes that could be serviced by the Max.

Is there a listing or database somewhere where I could look up other airlines? There's a few more regional and discount airlines I'm curious about.

Wikipedia has a list of MAX orders and deliveries by airline. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_order...

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“In one particular FAA test performed on the right simulator, a whistleblower says Boeing officials were present and told the test pilots when to hit the switch that killed MCAS. When these actions were reported by whistleblowers, they were often ignored or retaliated against, according to the report.” Boeing can’t seem to help itself from disaster

> Boeing can’t seem to help itself from disaster It obviously can. As long as it has regulators and legislators on a leash all this will always just be the cost of doing business.

Except if another plane crashes.

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So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored? ( https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/22189609/faa-boeing-737-... ) To quote: ""Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the re-certification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes. ""

Edit: I was incorrect

But not only the FAA recertified the plane and the MCAS cutoff seems to be more robust regardless

> So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored?

They certainly are relevant for litigations and judgements against Boeing relating to the accidents.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored? ( https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/22189609/faa-boeing-737-... ) To quote: ""Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the re-certification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes. ""

Congressional hearings rarely make a difference on policy. They are bully pulpits used to inform or persuade the public at large.

Your question is more appropriately directed at us, air travel consumers. Are we still going to board Boeing planes, knowing what we now know?

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#36

I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/Max etc

This is deceptive, intentionally. No matter if the vehicle is safe to fly or not, some people may not feel comfortable flying on one. The only justification of overturning 80+ years of airliner industry precedent in eliminating the specific vehicle type from the descriptions is to deceive.

I don't think anything changed. Is there some compelling evidence that it did?

Here's the a/c type on southwest.com desktop, right now: https://imgur.com/a/B6PxsbB

I don't see it on mobile, but I don't think it's ever been there.

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#37
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Boeing can’t seem to help itself from disaster It obviously can. As long as it has regulators and legislators on a leash all this will always just be the cost of doing business.

Except if another plane crashes.

When another plane crashes.

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

#38
post #15

I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/Max etc

You can avoid the airlines that fly the Max altogether. Unfortunately it looks like Delta is the only major US airline that does not own any. Spirit and JetBlue also do not have any. United, American, and Southwest all operate the Max. I would avoid those airlines for routes that could be serviced by the Max.

How to ID a MAX.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-identify-boeing-737-max-l...

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

#39

I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/Max etc

You can look up the plane by its tail number.

But you're still at the mercy of the airline. If they do an equipment swap, you're not entitled to change or cancel. You'd only have the option not to fly, forfeiting the cost of your ticket.

As someone else in this thread said, just fly Delta (domestically).

Re: Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Or maybe it's just some designer fiddling with screen real-estate and negative space.

Or maybe it was some engineer making the point that the data wasn’t accurate or reliable in the first place.

What if both were true? And designers and engineers worked together to clean the UI from possibly wrong and noisy information in the results brief? Teamwork makes the dream-work.
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