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Boeing 737 Max to Resume Flying U.S. Passengers Today

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Post by mentos »

laydn wrote: post #4

So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored? ( https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/22189609/faa-boeing-737-... ) To quote: ""Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the re-certification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes. ""

“In one particular FAA test performed on the right simulator, a whistleblower says Boeing officials were present and told the test pilots when to hit the switch that killed MCAS.

When these actions were reported by whistleblowers, they were often ignored or retaliated against, according to the report.”

Boeing can’t seem to help itself from disaster

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Post by ygra »

breitling wrote: post #13

In a few months time, it will be interesting to see the data showing the differences in bookings for 800-Max vs other planes. I imagine many people will try to avoid the Max and book other planes.

I'd imagine many people just don't know or don't care what plane they fly on. The number of enthusiasts who want to fly (or not fly) on a particular plane model isn't that large.

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Post by powvans »

882661830 wrote: post #2

I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/Max etc

You can avoid the airlines that fly the Max altogether. Unfortunately it looks like Delta is the only major US airline that does not own any. Spirit and JetBlue also do not have any. United, American, and Southwest all operate the Max. I would avoid those airlines for routes that could be serviced by the Max.

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Post by edoceo »

dotancohen wrote: post #6
882661830 wrote: post #2

I’ve noticed both Google flights and Southwest both have removed the generation number from the plane description. Now it just lists 737, without -300/700/800/Max etc

This is deceptive, intentionally. No matter if the vehicle is safe to fly or not, some people may not feel comfortable flying on one. The only justification of overturning 80+ years of airliner industry precedent in eliminating the specific vehicle type from the descriptions is to deceive.

Or maybe it's just some designer fiddling with screen real-estate and negative space.

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Post by Dirlewanger »

882661830 wrote: post #7
Dirlewanger wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I booked Southwest recently and it said Boeing 737-800 for me.

Is that after you’ve paid ? Trying the booking workflow on mobile now I don’t see it anywhere

No, when I was checking out I think. I knew before I paid what the plane was.

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Post by buran77 »

mentos wrote: post #11
laydn wrote: post #4

So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored? ( https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/22189609/faa-boeing-737-... ) To quote: ""Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the re-certification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes. ""

“In one particular FAA test performed on the right simulator, a whistleblower says Boeing officials were present and told the test pilots when to hit the switch that killed MCAS. When these actions were reported by whistleblowers, they were often ignored or retaliated against, according to the report.” Boeing can’t seem to help itself from disaster

> Boeing can’t seem to help itself from disaster

It obviously can. As long as it has regulators and legislators on a leash all this will always just be the cost of doing business.

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Post by rib3ye »

edoceo wrote: post #16
dotancohen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is deceptive, intentionally. No matter if the vehicle is safe to fly or not, some people may not feel comfortable flying on one. The only justification of overturning 80+ years of airliner industry precedent in eliminating the specific vehicle type from the descriptions is to deceive.

Or maybe it's just some designer fiddling with screen real-estate and negative space.

Or maybe it was some engineer making the point that the data wasn’t accurate or reliable in the first place.
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