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Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by thomquaid » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 4:12 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #171

vageli wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrorism is the use of violence to promote an ideology. Full stop. Nothing precludes a terrorist act from helping people. Even Pablo Escobar set up schools and other institutions in his neighborhood.

Sure, but "terrorism" explicitly implies a value judgement. Why else would you take issue with the term "political violence", which is equally technically correct? It is violence for political aims. You were clearly trying to make a point beyond the prescriptive definition of the word, so this comment reads like backtracking to me.

You are missing a key component of terrorism which is that the political violence is illegal/not lawful.

Political violence which is in line with societal norms is not terrorism. The value judgement isn't implied, it's the main the feature of the word.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by coolgeek » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 4:17 PM UTC

philwelch wrote: post #223

ideophobia wrote: post #148

Considering the FBI recently foiled a plot by a group who was planning to "take out" parts of the energy grid, it seems likely from my experience that this is another set of people executing a similar plan targeting telecoms. I imagine there is a high probability of more incidents like this happening between now and the inauguration, meant to target various infrastructure and "big government" components throughout th…

I think it’s premature to speculate about motive, aside from the obvious part about targeting telecoms infra rather than people. For instance, this might also potentially disable security/alarm systems for a heist, or perhaps it was motivated by some 5G conspiracy theory.

The Venn diagram on anti-government militias and 5G conspiracy theorists is pretty close to a circle

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by nr2x » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 4:22 PM UTC

m1sta_ wrote: post #375

nr2x wrote: post #215

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FAIRVIEW source for VOIP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairview_(surveillance_program...

Just a coincidence. Like all of the Trump Russia links.

Likely yes, but curious.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by nr2x » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 4:23 PM UTC

graderjs wrote: post #323

nr2x wrote: post #222

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A guy working in this building told me they had showers to clean off radioactive fallout as the building itself could stand up to a bomb. Guy said “you’d be fucked either way” and laughed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_Thomas_Street

It's probably not in this case but i wonder if this ATT was a special surveillance nexus... I think it's most likely the bomb wasn't meant to target anything, but was just some person's outlet Edit: i wasn't saying, "nuclear protection probably wasn't the case", i was saying, "the comment I'm about to make probably isn't the case but"... I know it's unclear

It’s a collection point of domestic VOIP for the FAIRVIEW program.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by nr2x » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

girvo wrote: post #367

nr2x wrote: post #227

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It’s odd that if you knew why the building was valuable you wouldn’t also know it’s designed for this. Which makes me lean more towards coincidence.

Although someone choosing to bomb a place means I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t thinking everything through...

The announcement to move away shows a lot of planning.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by ed25519FUUU » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 4:35 PM UTC

takeda wrote: post #369

macinjosh wrote: post #271

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The area being full of restaurants and bars that may have been pushed into hard times or have gone out of business because of overzealous COVID policies made me think of the possibility of someone doing this for insurance money or to cut their losses somehow.

I think more likely a 5G nut. Tennessee is pretty bad currently with COVID. Given it is 5G building, people were warned to leave area, large explosion (still not enough to destroy the building, but looks like it caused a huge damage) I think it is likely that someone believing that 5G causes people to get sick and die would think that could help.

Those kind of people make their motives very obvious.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by Symmetry » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 4:47 PM UTC

artificialLimbs wrote: post #291

mckirk wrote: post #114

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Isn't acting out of a sense of morality the definition of a 'good deed'? Granted, bombing stuff hardly classifies but if you decide it's necessary to bomb something, preventing unnecessary harm for moral reasons could still be seen as a 'good deed'.

No. Some people think killing Jews is moral, for instance.

Most violence that gets carried out is for purposes the perpetrator considers moral whether it's "snitches get stitches" or "They cheated on me" or "His friend killed one of my friends and this is just vengeance."

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by culopatin » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #64

joshuakelly wrote: post #22

This article doesn't make this so explicit, but ATT infrastructure appears to be the intentional target of the bombing. You can see the building in the helicopter shot at the top of the NYTimes article on the story: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/25/us/nashville-explosion.ht... Obviously a telecommunications/switch hub, with it being a large windowless building in a downtown core. The other thing that's particularly…

Some of the images from the NYT article for those that are paywalled. https://imgur.com/a/Hi9Rzi7

I guess they were taken down?

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by culopatin » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:20 PM UTC

mintplant wrote: post #20

Reportedly, there was a visible countdown timer on the vehicle that exploded, and an audible warning played for 15-20 minutes prior to the blast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nygTJeu9fU

Somehow the warning made it terrifying for me. Just an explosion with no warning would’ve been more normal to me somehow. It feels like a video game level where you have a countdown to solve a puzzle and you’re trying to save someone or something from the explosion.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by onionisafruit » Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 5:27 PM UTC

iJohnDoe wrote: post #226

Here is an update from AT&T: The front 1/3rd of the building is structuraly damaged. That includes fiber entry. They have no power and there is major flooding on all floors including the basement. The Fire Department is en route with pump trucks to help with the flooding. They have Building Engineers and Electricians on the way to look into the structure and getting power turned on. They have 2 850KW generators on th…

This post from reddit has a bit more information...although it's mostly the same information in slightly different format.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nashville/comments/kkcwkh/status_of...

"The Nashville building (NSVLTNMT) has sustained significant structural damage to the front one-third of the building; the rear two-thirds of the building appears to be intact. Parts of the interior are still inaccessible for safety reasons due to the structural damage sustained. Structural and electrical engineers are en route. There is standing water in the basement and on every floor. The fire department will assist with pumping water out of basement.

There is no commercial power connectivity to the equipment due to breaker and switch equipment damage. Teams are currently working to de-energize all systems.

Two 850W generators are en route with an ETA of 21:00 CT. A chiller is also en route with no ETA available at this time. The parking lot adjacent to the building (opposite the damaged side) has been secured to stage the generators. Once the generators arrive, teams will determine if it is safe to wire the generators tonight due to the sustained building damage and water in the building.

In addition, TEMA (Tennessee Emergency Management Agency) is volunteering two 1 megawatt generators to support recovery.

A SATCOLT has been positioned approximately a block and a half from the NSVLTNMT building and is up and taking traffic to aid in communication with those performing restoration. The next update will be issued at approximately 20:00 CT, unless there is a significant change in status."