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Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by throwaway-8c93 »

birdyrooster wrote: post #14
juancn wrote: post #4

The idea of doing a public campaign over this is so myopic that I cannot fathom the thinking about it. Who’s going to rally for Facebook? Did they really expected Apple to change this? The ad should scare investors much more than Apple’s move.

They can’t hire people with good ideas anymore because as we know money isn’t a great motivator (and besides, there are more ethical companies within 10 miles paying as much or more than Facebook). They can’t hire good people anymore because their mission is naive and their reputation precedes them.

> because as we know money isn’t a great motivator

HR industry would like you to believe that, but it's an intentional bastardization of the original research by Kahneman and Deaton (1), twisting their words to fit their cost cutting agenda. The original finding states that past a rather high threshold (~$75k), additional raise alone is an insufficient motivator. Below that threshold, money alone works just fine as a motivator. Above that threshold, pay hike still enhances other motivators.

In Bay Area, I agree that ethical concerns likely dwarf money. $120k/year in Europe would let them scrape the creme de la creme, despite near universal dislike among tech-crowd.

(1) https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/08/27/1011492107.abs...

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by ummonk »

zepto wrote: post #83
abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

“...who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs” People keep making statements like this, but I have so far never seen anyone actually show any evidence for it. What makes you think this is true?

I think it's mainly because of the kerfuffle about certificate revocation checks?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/mac-certificate-chec...

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by cute_boi »

haha these companies like facebook, google are so shit. First they start monopoly and later say "We are fighting for small companies, people bla bla bla". Why not directly say we are greedy advertising company and we want all those data otherwise our unethical business will die. User should not know we are using their data to generate $60 for 6 months.

Any people who works on facebook should reconsider what damage they have done to world.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by _jal »

juancn wrote: post #4

The idea of doing a public campaign over this is so myopic that I cannot fathom the thinking about it. Who’s going to rally for Facebook? Did they really expected Apple to change this? The ad should scare investors much more than Apple’s move.

FB signaling is not targeted at you or me, Grandma, or most of the rest of the public.

It is to show a credible commitment to Apple's other adversaries, in an attempt to rally enough power to take them down a peg and (more importantly) win some control over the Iphone platform.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by chrisseaton »

Descon wrote: post #101
chrisseaton wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are Apple stores in 25 countries, and engineering locations in 14 countries. People use all Apple all over the world. The iPhone is massively popular in all wealthy countries and the MacBook dominates amongst developers in almost all of them.

It's about 80/20 iPhone/Android in North America, and in the rest of the world, it's the inverse.

Do you think a near-quarter of the market held by a single product line counts as 'isn't that popular'?

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by jeremyjh »

ummonk wrote: post #100
_cs2017_ wrote: post #51

Anyone who can successfully predict downfall of large publicly traded companies can work for a hedge fund and make tens of millions of dollars a year. Anyone who cannot predict such events can write articles for a magazine claiming otherwise. At least it helps sell their speaking and consulting engagements.

There are limits to what you can do with superior but imperfect knowledge though. E.g. everyone knows Tesla stock is overvalued - even Elon tweets about it. And yet it's not really feasible to profit off this knowledge.

Why is it not feasible to short Tesla?

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by dingaling »

qz2 wrote: post #30
abhinav22 wrote: post #20

I was a big supporter of Apple for a long time and welcomed privacy focused initiatives when they first started making noise a while back. However since then I’ve become much more skeptical. Apple is no less evil or different; okay, I take that back, they are slightly better but I’m no longer a fanboy. I don’t think the Apple of today, who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs and make it difficult / an…

I don’t get the charger whining from people. If you add the price of the charger and the wired earphones to the price of the phone then with inflation it’s cheaper than the handsets were in 2018. I’ve got 7 Apple chargers here as well. This is a completely rational decision which is transitional while we all move to USB-C slowly. Your general point is right but it’s not the state of the company you need to look at bu…

> then with inflation it’s cheaper than the handsets were in 2018

Inflation has consistently outpaced increase in salaries, so it still costs more on real terms

> I’ve got 7 Apple chargers here as well

And yet there's a substantial market for third-party chargers, even the smallest convenience stores sell them.

From personal experience the majority of everyday folk have one or two chargers in their house, and as many cables. If they sell or giveaway an old phone then a charger has to go with it.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by zepto »

ummonk wrote: post #112
zepto wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“...who carefully monitor what everybody does on their macs” People keep making statements like this, but I have so far never seen anyone actually show any evidence for it. What makes you think this is true?

I think it's mainly because of the kerfuffle about certificate revocation checks? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/mac-certificate-chec...

Well doesn’t that make it bullshit then?

I don’t see anything about the certificate kerfuffle that in any way justifies the statement.

Re: Facebook Declared War on Apple, and It Just May Signal the End of Facebook

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Post by ojbyrne »

dijit wrote: post #55
mtgx wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to John Carmack, who apparently is quite fine with tainting his legacy and wasting his last few good work years working for Facebook of all companies. And to top it all off, they're going to ruin Oculus, too (where Carmack is working), going by the latest moves in that division.

It would be very hard to “taint the legacy” of a person like Carmack. He will be excellent no matter where he is because he is given essentially free reign to work on what he enjoys the most. And if that changes it will be unlikely to be the company that did it, since a person in his position would just move to another company and re-acquire free reign.

I don’t usually complain about spelling, but you used it twice. It’s “free rein.”

https://grammarist.com/spelling/free-rein-free-reign/

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