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Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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Post by mam2 »

bmsleight_ wrote: post #33

As a person that leans towards socialism. I want to understand from someone who leans towards capitalism, the reluctance with immigration. We have people who will travel large distances for a potential benefit (i.e risk takers), who like the articles mentioned, are happy to work hard. This is the ideal characteristics of an entrepreneur or early employee or a start-up. More labour, lowers labour costs. What is the re…

As a french, mostly left wing who understand right wing people: enconomy is not the only thing. migrants can (do) bring some part of their culture that may be unwanted.

Like the way they see / treat women to start with... People who want to be "nice" to migrants don't realize how bad that can be.

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Post by thefounder »

bruceb wrote: post #78
thefounder wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a country made of and built by immigrants doesn't want immigrants anymore. I think that culture has a name: hypocrisy

There have always been limits to immigration. Almost no one is saying no immigration. Needs change. What the country needs now might not be the same as 150 years ago.

>> What the country needs now might not be the same as 150 years ago.

Yeah, it seems now it needs to cage children to deter their pesky parents from seeking opportunities in the land of opportunity.

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Post by Retric »

roenxi wrote: post #107
Retric wrote: post #84

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Absolute numbers are heavily dependent on country size and most countries are tiny. Vatican City at the extreme end is formed 100% from immigrants, but has a tiny and self limiting population.

The Vatican is not a migrant friendly destination, despite being made up entirely of immigrants. If I were to try and migrate I would try to migrate to the States. All of a few hundred people worldwide are trying to migrate to the Vatican.

I suspect far more than a few hundred people are aiming to become Pope let alone immigrate to Vatican City. Only a few can make it.

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Post by ronyfadel »

yodsanklai wrote: post #56
ronyfadel wrote: post #20

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It is long for obvious reasons right? One needs to show that they have stayed in France sufficiently long to have had the “valeurs de la République” (values of the Republic) imbued in them, as well as speak a decent level of French and to have been well integrated in society. FWIW the overall wait time to become a French citizen is much less than most other European countries.

Once you are eligible for citizenship (which can take a long time) You must 1. take an appointment to have your document checked (waiting time 1 year) 2. take an appointment to submit the actual application (1 year) 3. wait for the result, 1 1/2 year. So by the time you are eligible, it can take 3-4 years before you know the outcome of your application. These 3-4 years don't serve any obvious purpose that I can think…

I did the procedure in arguably the préfecture under the most pressure (Paris), and from the day I applied, it took 9 months to get the interview and 6 months to get the citizenship. That was it, less than 1.5 years in total.

It took roughly the same time for almost everyone that I know that applied. The only cases that I know of that took longer were people with "exotic" statuses, e.g. people who didn't live full time in France and owned businesses in different countries that they had to visit often to physically tend to.

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Post by selimthegrim »

bumbada wrote: post #60
bmsleight_ wrote: post #33

As a person that leans towards socialism. I want to understand from someone who leans towards capitalism, the reluctance with immigration. We have people who will travel large distances for a potential benefit (i.e risk takers), who like the articles mentioned, are happy to work hard. This is the ideal characteristics of an entrepreneur or early employee or a start-up. More labour, lowers labour costs. What is the re…

Capitalists(financial elite,landowners entrepreneurs and the politicians they buy)love immigrant workers. The less they pay, the better for them. Don't like the misery salary? Look at the queue of people looking for the job willing to work for less. It is middle and lower class workers who hate competition from low income workers. The miserable salary in the "rich" country is being rich in a poor country. It is the m…

Isn’t the religion of Albanians Albanianism? Don’t Adjarians get along well with other Georgians? You picked the two least supportive examples for your thesis.

Re: Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship

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Post by yodsanklai »

ronyfadel wrote: post #124
yodsanklai wrote: post #56

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Once you are eligible for citizenship (which can take a long time) You must 1. take an appointment to have your document checked (waiting time 1 year) 2. take an appointment to submit the actual application (1 year) 3. wait for the result, 1 1/2 year. So by the time you are eligible, it can take 3-4 years before you know the outcome of your application. These 3-4 years don't serve any obvious purpose that I can think…

I did the procedure in arguably the préfecture under the most pressure (Paris), and from the day I applied, it took 9 months to get the interview and 6 months to get the citizenship. That was it, less than 1.5 years in total. It took roughly the same time for almost everyone that I know that applied. The only cases that I know of that took longer were people with "exotic" statuses, e.g. people who didn't live full ti…

When was it? A few years ago, they added a new requirement that you don't apply directly to the "prefecture" but you have to go through an additional step which takes about a year.

My gf is applying for citizenship at the moment, I've described the timeline for her situation. It's been now more than 3 years since she started her application, including 14 months waiting for their decision. And she'd been living in France for more than 10 years before that and graduated from a French university.

It probably would have been easier to just get married...

BTW, congratulations for your citizenship. I'm glad it was efficient for you.

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Post by selimthegrim »

HuwytNashi_006 wrote: post #108
vnall wrote: post #89

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> It must remain Jewish or our identity will be erased. Splendid, so this does not apply to European identity and culture? If the unlimited immigration that you demand happens in Europe, we'll have Islamic states in no time. I'm sure that'll be totally fine and beneficial for Israel... The inconsistencies are mind boggling.

I recognise the benefits of diversity and I'm excited by the prospect of a more vibrant and multicultural experience that this natural migration will enable across Europe. All I'm "demanding" is that white supremacists are no longer allowed to oppose this through outdated xenophobic institutions, including contrived citizenship requirements. Fortunately, most European governments and the EU share this view and have t…

Ah, a longform troll

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Post by RealHistorian »

HuwytNashi_006 wrote: post #12

So if you're an indigenous Frenchman you're automatically entitled, but Africans must literally risk their lives before being eligible? And people are celebrating this... Why should ethnically French have a greater right to France than newcomers? It may have been their grandfather's homeland but it must not be their grandson's if we're ever going to progress. We're better than that now.

The reason people migrate is to take advantage of the institutions and wealth built by French people, not because they specifically enjoy the climate there (although that's, to a small extent, one possible reason for migrating).

A good example of the nice institutions built by Europeans is Australia. No one really cared to migrate there until the country was all built and nice, and now it's coming from all over the world (mostly Europe and Asia). Before that it was (and to some extent it still is) a fairly hostile land.

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Post by afroboy »

throwaway744678 wrote: post #109
afroboy wrote: post #17

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France did that during WW1 and WW2 they fought that war mostly with North Africans specially Algerians and rewarded them with genocides.

> rewarded them with genocides That is a strong claim. Any evidence to back it up?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9tif_and_Guelma_massacre

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Post by ronyfadel »

yodsanklai wrote: post #126
ronyfadel wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did the procedure in arguably the préfecture under the most pressure (Paris), and from the day I applied, it took 9 months to get the interview and 6 months to get the citizenship. That was it, less than 1.5 years in total. It took roughly the same time for almost everyone that I know that applied. The only cases that I know of that took longer were people with "exotic" statuses, e.g. people who didn't live full ti…

When was it? A few years ago, they added a new requirement that you don't apply directly to the "prefecture" but you have to go through an additional step which takes about a year. My gf is applying for citizenship at the moment, I've described the timeline for her situation. It's been now more than 3 years since she started her application, including 14 months waiting for their decision. And she'd been living in Fra…

It was in late 2017, and done in 2019.
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