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Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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You know who I would trust to administer the .org TLD for long-term public good... The EFF.

I definitely agree in the short term, but having profitable assets might attract the wrong kind of people to the organisation so I don't know how I feel about it in the long term.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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> Whether people like it or not the operation of the DNS, including .org, is a commercial endeavor. It's about disparate impact, as is the case in many things that have extensive histories around them. That .org was allowed to drift from its original mission of being the "catch-all / noncommercial" zone of the DNS doesn't mean we shouldn't work to nudge it back to that original ideal. At a minimum, allowing what is a…

I don't disagree that the DNS is a public good. And fascinatingly unique in that it's global public good, reasonably successfully managed without government intervention. If the barricading is in reference to price increases, then again it's not the acquisition that enabled this, it was the contract change with ICANN. Registries transfer ownership all the time. .Biz was acquired by GoDaddy this year, and Afilias who…

Nobody cares about the .biz acquisition because nobody cares about .biz. A lot of the early additional gTLDs got tarred as "scammy places for people who didn't care enough to find a .com". On the other hand, people can think of .org sites they use and don't like the thought of them being potentially held to ransom by rent seekers

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Rules: 1) First-come-first-serve for your first handful of domains. Price is nominal (e.g. $1/year). 2) Increasing price with number of domains held. If I hold myname.com, it's $1. If I hold a thousand domain, the last 500 are at $1000/year. 3) Oversight for transfers. If sold, resale value is capped. Historic domains shouldn't be used for spam but perhaps go to archive.org or similar entities. 4) Managed by a govern…

> Increasing price with number of domains held. If I hold myname.com, it's $1. If I hold a thousand domain, the last 500 are at $1000/year. People will just form a thousand LLCs or use straw men. > Managed by a government institution or not-for-profit with open meetings, salary caps, public records requests, and other (legally-enforceable) checks-and-balances. I think you're making this too complicated. Just prohibit…

> People will just form a thousand LLCs or use straw men.

Replace "if I hold" with "if the Beneficial Owner holds" to stop that. Beneficial ownership is not masked by forming LLCs or using intermediaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beneficial_ownership

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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EFF is currently in the middle of its year-end fundraising challenge. If you donate now at: https://eff.org/donate/ you'll be helping unlock a series of matching grants.

Plus, this year, a US tax rule change means that you can deduct up to $300, even if you don't itemize. https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/special-300-tax-deduction-helps...

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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The fees on .org are expensive compared to the other top level domains com/net I recently switched from org to the countrycode version for a domain that was available and saved half of the cost.

So $1 per month instead of $2?

Like 20/30 for a .org compared to 10.99. For a hobbiest who isn't making money off the site and has a few domains costs will start to mount. 5 domains can cost you an extra 100.

Note: All prices are coverted to local currency.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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You know who I would trust to administer the .org TLD for long-term public good... The EFF.

Serious money is a huge temptation.

Have you noticed the path down which the ACLU and SPLC have gone?

Do you notice how Mozilla have shed staff despite the lack on any major dent in their income?

I'm sorry but these types of "activist" companies have a way of going wrong when there are huge sums of money involved.

Just leave them where they are and let them continue as usual.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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I'm a big fan of the EFF, but all this flexing over...getting back to the status quo sure as hell reminds me of https://incite-national.org/beyond-the-non-profit-industrial... . Every growing NGOs in a perfect stalemate of ever increasing outrage and budgets is a lot like Oceania and Eastasia in perpetual war so the increasing productivity doesn't lead to leisure time.

Not sure why you are tone policing the EFF and implying they are a part of some kind of NGO conspiracy if you are “a big fan”.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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> Increasing price with number of domains held. If I hold myname.com, it's $1. If I hold a thousand domain, the last 500 are at $1000/year. People will just form a thousand LLCs or use straw men. > Managed by a government institution or not-for-profit with open meetings, salary caps, public records requests, and other (legally-enforceable) checks-and-balances. I think you're making this too complicated. Just prohibit…

> People will just form a thousand LLCs or use straw men. Replace "if I hold" with "if the Beneficial Owner holds" to stop that. Beneficial ownership is not masked by forming LLCs or using intermediaries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beneficial_ownership

How do you enforce that? Now you need to have a regulatory agency whose sole purpose is to investigate people, companies attempting to abuse, workaround the system.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Ah yes, bravo EFF, you've won another battle barely keeping us at the status quo. When are you going to stop playing whack-a-mole trying to defend against every assault on internet freedoms and go on the offensive and try to win the game for the good guys? We now have the ability to give the poorest child on earth access to the same information as the richest, and yet we allow industry to shackle us instead. It's tim…

If the EFF has to play whack-a-mole it's because there is no one single problem or threat vector to internet freedoms. Going on the offensive would require just as much whack-a-mole, fighting battles on many fronts, because there is no single issue they could fight for & win that would resolve the entire picture. And in the case of the .ORG issue, what would going on the offensive even have looked like? How would the…

> there is no one single problem or threat vector to internet freedoms

There is one and only one problem: #ImaginaryPropertyLaws.

What do all of the companies and organizations the EFF is constantly battling have in common? They all derive their power from #ImaginaryPropertyLaws and would all be disrupted without them.

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