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Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by senux »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #47

I'm a big fan of the EFF, but all this flexing over...getting back to the status quo sure as hell reminds me of https://incite-national.org/beyond-the-non-profit-industrial... . Every growing NGOs in a perfect stalemate of ever increasing outrage and budgets is a lot like Oceania and Eastasia in perpetual war so the increasing productivity doesn't lead to leisure time.

If it were a for-profit, private company which was "flexing" I'd agree with you. But EFF works hard to defend our rights and internet freedom.

If they bolster their wins with some overly excited language, I believe they are well within their right. Also, it serves as a good way to promote their work and incentivise people to contribute.

I fail to see an issue with their approach here but would like to hear a counter argument if there is one.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by renewiltord »

nso wrote: post #5
reidjs wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So $1 per month instead of $2?

Not everyone counts their holdings in USD. That price difference may be what sets a launched and abandoned project apart. One of my neighbors is 17 and interested in coding and computers. I'd say their family MAYBE brings in 250 USD a month -- but probably less. A dollar can be a lot.

When I was young, I was in that state. Some light black-hat SEOing and ad fraud and you can pay for the domain. Some other stuff that works is to generate content for a bunch of pointless sites that are trying to make it look like they're high traffic. Also, that's why I'm a huge fan of not enforcing minimum age on work globally for digital work. I did all this as a teenager and it helped me become an engineer.

I think it's even better now, though KYC stuff probably makes it much harder to get paid. So you have better avenues (Fiverr, Upwork, etc.) but maybe difficulty getting the dollars into your local currency.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by Triv888 »

reidjs wrote: post #4
wolco2 wrote: post #3

The fees on .org are expensive compared to the other top level domains com/net I recently switched from org to the countrycode version for a domain that was available and saved half of the cost.

So $1 per month instead of $2?

where do you get .org for $2?

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by Ericson2314 »

senux wrote: post #51
Ericson2314 wrote: post #47

I'm a big fan of the EFF, but all this flexing over...getting back to the status quo sure as hell reminds me of https://incite-national.org/beyond-the-non-profit-industrial... . Every growing NGOs in a perfect stalemate of ever increasing outrage and budgets is a lot like Oceania and Eastasia in perpetual war so the increasing productivity doesn't lead to leisure time.

If it were a for-profit, private company which was "flexing" I'd agree with you. But EFF works hard to defend our rights and internet freedom. If they bolster their wins with some overly excited language, I believe they are well within their right. Also, it serves as a good way to promote their work and incentivise people to contribute. I fail to see an issue with their approach here but would like to hear a counter…

I don't there is a specific issue here, and yeah I like the EFF too.

But imagine if were, I duno, someone from the Red Cross, Greenpeace, or something writing this.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by jariel »

longtailofsighs wrote: post #7

I love a lot of what the EFF does, but this campaign, and many other organizations involved in it got a lot wrong. The real issue, that in fairness the EFF leads with, was the change in the .org contract, not the sale itself. The most robust overview of the whole thing that I have read can be found here: https://www.internetgovernance.org/2020/05/01/no-real-winner... Whether people like it or not the operation of the…

"Whether people like it or not the operation of the DNS, including .org, is a commercial endeavor."

? It most definitely does not have to be.

There's basically no reason it at all has to be commercial, it's one of the things that makes more sense to socialize, because it's not about value creation, it's public property and rent-seeking. Handing over a non-value creating cash-cow to private equity is not 'good capitalism'.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by jariel »

macintux wrote: post #29
breck wrote: post #10

Ah yes, bravo EFF, you've won another battle barely keeping us at the status quo. When are you going to stop playing whack-a-mole trying to defend against every assault on internet freedoms and go on the offensive and try to win the game for the good guys? We now have the ability to give the poorest child on earth access to the same information as the richest, and yet we allow industry to shackle us instead. It's tim…

You're upset that the EFF isn't able to work miracles? Abolishing intellectual property (which, frankly, sounds like a terrible idea) would be a global effort requiring the invalidation of treaties and battling a nearly infinite war chest because the wealthiest companies in the world rely on it.

"Abolishing intellectual property"

The other part is that nobody but a small group of fringe people want that, and the populist appeal of 'free movies' would wane pretty quickly as movies and entertainment literally stopped being made.

Among myriad other products and services.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by [deleted] »

breck wrote: post #10

Ah yes, bravo EFF, you've won another battle barely keeping us at the status quo. When are you going to stop playing whack-a-mole trying to defend against every assault on internet freedoms and go on the offensive and try to win the game for the good guys? We now have the ability to give the poorest child on earth access to the same information as the richest, and yet we allow industry to shackle us instead. It's tim…

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Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by chrisweekly »

brandur wrote: post #21

Another great win for the EFF. We shouldn't forget how much time and effort fighting this kind of thing takes, and we are very lucky to have an organization who's willing to put in the legwork from which all of us are huge beneficiaries. ( Edit: just donated. ) I guess it was implied by the article, but wasn't perfectly clear to me: does this mean that .org just stays with its current holders, ISOC? (Internet Society…

+1, hear! hear! This! Strongest possible agree. If a change like that's gonna happen, it'll be bc people who feel like us do something, and soon. But what? I donate to EFF, but is there some catalyst for this specific action?
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