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No, but my work life was amazing. There are important things to address at Google, like not having enough sitting toilets for men (there's 3 times as much for women even though there are much less women in the office where I was working) that an union may help with, but that's different from the product PR.
I've seen these comments on internal email threads, but this is the first time seeing one out in the wild. Still blows my mind people who make >300k a year can't be bothered to walk 100ft to cut a shit.
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Re: Google told its scientists to ‘strike a positive tone’ in AI research
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, Google removed "Don't be evil" as their slogan quite some time ago. Don't think that was by an error.
This is a rumor that won’t die because it’s too enticing to believe and tack onto any anti-Google sentiment. The phrase was only moved from the introduction to the conclusion of the code of conduct, never removed.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference is that AI research teams are full of philosophy graduates who think if statements are racist
> The difference is that AI research teams are full of philosophy graduates who think if statements are racist. I'm not sure I understand. Are they worse or better?
Now, you feed AI with crime data, looking at statistics such AI will suspect people having black color of the skin to be criminals more often than people with white skin. Is that ok? Is it ok to say that if some person happens to have black skin there is a bigger chance that it is criminal?
In statistical terms the answer is yes, but if we deal with an actual person, we should treat it as a unique person and the matter of the skin color should not matter.
Before II World War there were scientific studies in Germany that showed that in some big cities districts there are more rats. Accidentally or not, it turned out that those are districts with large Jewish population. So Nazis took those statistical results to prove that Jews are dirty, spread diseases, etc. Was that science, even though it was peer reviewed and published? Rather not (in the first place they didn't even bother to check if people living there were rich, poor, etc.).
History knows many "scientific researches" by the ones like Eugen Fisher, dr. Mengele, that were performed in a scientific way, but they were lacking something very important and non-trivial: ethics.
Now the problem is that ethics needs to have some source, it does not grow on a tree. For ages Christianity was a source of ethics in Europe (less in US, that's why you could have slavery in modern times there), currently Christianity is almost gone in Europe, the question is were to seek the source of ethics.
Re: Google told its scientists to ‘strike a positive tone’ in AI research
#54And that’s why I was happier when basic research was mostly being carried out in public institutions.
For example, if you join a Math department and start publishing papers that cast the department's research interests in a negative light, that's often a good way to get fired.
I mean, seriously, go ask just about any professor of any topic at any university if their field is undervalued or overvalued. They'll almost universally tell you that their field is undervalued, underappreciated, and more important than people think. They deserve more funding, and you should definitely consider majoring in their field.
Re: Google told its scientists to ‘strike a positive tone’ in AI research
#55And that’s why I was happier when basic research was mostly being carried out in public institutions.
Re: Google told its scientists to ‘strike a positive tone’ in AI research
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a rumor that won’t die because it’s too enticing to believe and tack onto any anti-Google sentiment. The phrase was only moved from the introduction to the conclusion of the code of conduct, never removed.
Checks out, as of September 2020: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/
> Google prohibits retaliation against any worker here at Google who reports or participates in an investigation of a possible violation of our Code, policies, or the law. If you believe you are being retaliated against, please contact Ethics & Compliance.
Well, it is safe to say this is hot garbage then.
I would love Google to remove all the self entitled BS from this statement, so they can act as an everyday faceless big company which is anyway what it is doing, not some moral beacon for the mass to look up to.
The statement exists only to generate traffic for the news outlet for spinning.
Re: Google told its scientists to ‘strike a positive tone’ in AI research
#57Consider the historical parallel to the tobacco industry’s research departments. And asbestos. And lead. And talc. And etc. The researchers found that the products were harmful, but their results were squelched. “Do no harm,” indeed.
These are not equivalent comparisons to me. Tobacco was always harmful, inhaling smoke in general is just bad, and the others could be through improper use but safe otherwise. Let alone all of what you mentioned will not have the impact AI will
AI's potential is equally good and equally bad and any of the bad is purely because someone or some group employs it that way.
The real danger of AI isn't the obvious tinpot dictators using it drive war but in politicians and government officials hiding behind the term as an excuse for their bad decisions. The more you demand of your government to give you stuff or services the more likely you will be subject to this tech
I say this each time the subject of AI abuse, facial recognition or similar comes up.
This is not something that cancel culture will stop. Nothing is going to stop it from coming. So the best alternative to the technically and morally (hate using that word) driven people is to hit it head on from all directions. This means working to make sure it does what it is supposed to do but also that everyone knows what it really cannot do, working the legal end to insure there are laws and consequences for employing the technology incorrectly, and through the information end in keeping the public fully aware of who is using, how they use it, and how to legally protect yourself from it.
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The difference is that AI research teams are full of philosophy graduates who think if statements are racist
Can you show me five philosophy graduate turned AI researcher who thinks if statements are racist? If AI research teams are "full of" them, as you say, it should be trivial to find such people.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've seen these comments on internal email threads, but this is the first time seeing one out in the wild. Still blows my mind people who make >300k a year can't be bothered to walk 100ft to cut a shit.
I mean, when you have to go, you have to go. If you have to travel to an entirely different floor to find an open shitter, that makes for a poor experience.
Anyways COVID solved the issue I guess.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, Google removed "Don't be evil" as their slogan quite some time ago. Don't think that was by an error.
This is a rumor that won’t die because it’s too enticing to believe and tack onto any anti-Google sentiment. The phrase was only moved from the introduction to the conclusion of the code of conduct, never removed.
So the statement that it’s really not a slogan anymore is quite true from my experience.