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Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by 8note »

reificator wrote: post #150
LordDragonfang wrote: post #89

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>I have unfortunately seen a pedestrian get hit by crossing on a red walk sign Which is an indication that jaywalking isn't the real problem here, it's inattentive drivers. How many of the 36 above were similar situations?

> > I have unfortunately seen a pedestrian get hit by crossing on a red walk sign > Which is an indication that jaywalking isn't the real problem here, it's inattentive drivers. How many of the 36 above were similar situations? Perhaps your signals are different, but in my area a "red walk sign" means "Do Not Walk". Your comment to me sounds like you're talking about a white walk sign, which would in fact be mostly a…

It is still the primary culprit. The driver is licensed to be watching for and not hit pedestrians

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Post by 8note »

reificator wrote: post #262
scatters wrote: post #221

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If you're driving along a road with parked cars, you slow to a speed where if someone (say a 4 year old child) jumps out you can stop within your reaction time. Anything else is dangerously reckless.

> If you're driving along a road with parked cars, you slow to a speed where if someone (say a 4 year old child) jumps out you can stop within your reaction time. Anything else is dangerously reckless. Going substantially slower than the posted speed limit is a ticketable offense in most areas. It also makes it more difficult for other drivers to judge your speed and position if you are not going either the posted or…

You have a choice to not drive on that road.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by 8note »

quicklyfrozen wrote: post #254
scatters wrote: post #221

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If you're driving along a road with parked cars, you slow to a speed where if someone (say a 4 year old child) jumps out you can stop within your reaction time. Anything else is dangerously reckless.

That's not a realistic goal. Even at 20 MPH, a well timed jump from between parked cars could leave someone closer then your reaction time.

Sure it is. Have people drive at 5MPH, or as slow as it takes for them to be safe. That it's inconvenient to you to drive safely is your problem

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Post by alsetmusic »

RobRivera wrote: post #429
Jommi wrote: post #393

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Great that you like it. Your health, and the world's, however, does not. Shame about that.

If your implication is that suburbia is a blite on mine and the globe's health.... [C I T A T I O N N E E D E D] I enjoy an hours walk with the dog daily, solid lifting program, about 20 miles a week of cardio, and a vegan diet. Doctor thinks I'm the picture of health.

I think it’s pretty clear what the responder intended, but sure. Here’s a citation:

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-t...

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by Jommi »

killtimeatwork wrote: post #402
Jommi wrote: post #394

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LA has a decent bus system? Are you serious? Have you ever lived in LA, and lived in a european city? LA has no unified bus system. It has multiple ones and its super confusing. Each bus makes a stop nearly every minute, making every ride impossibly long. Lack of bus lanes make for shitty traffic stuck trips as well.

> Each bus makes a stop nearly every minute, making every ride impossibly long. It's the same in London. That's why for longer rides you take the tube. Buses are for shorter rider or from getting from/to tube station.

Yes this works if you have bus as a part of a public transport system. Not when it's a haphazard here and there single solution

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Post by RandallBrown »

owowow wrote: post #374
RandallBrown wrote: post #272

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Seattle. I have 3 major grocery stores (Safeway, QFC, Target) within 15 minutes walking from me. And at least 20 bars and restaurants within the same distance. Public transportation to downtown takes about 35 minutes, which isn't great , but it's okay. Uber works well if you need to be faster.

Ballard is pretty isolated, constrained by the Ballard Bridge or going over to Fremont to get to Downtown. Bike access is poor, either risking death on the sidewalks of the Ballard Bridge, taking the lane on the bridge or doing a large detour to Fremont. Wedgewood, Fremont, Queen Anne & Freelard all successfully resisted the mass redevelopment that Ballard has seen, compared to 15 years ago Ballard looks completely d…

Not too surprising you guessed it was Ballard.

Depending on where you live and where you're going, crossing the locks is a great way to bike downtown. Also sometimes the Fremont bridge route is going to be shorter. I hate riding my bike over the Ballard bridge, but I'm not sure I'd call riding on it "risking death".

Bike access within Ballard is pretty great since the hills are a bit more manageable than in other parts of the city.

All that aside, it's pretty easy to live in Seattle and not have a car, being able to walk to groceries, bars, restaurants, parks, etc.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by RobRivera »

alsetmusic wrote: post #434
RobRivera wrote: post #429

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If your implication is that suburbia is a blite on mine and the globe's health.... [C I T A T I O N N E E D E D] I enjoy an hours walk with the dog daily, solid lifting program, about 20 miles a week of cardio, and a vegan diet. Doctor thinks I'm the picture of health.

I think it’s pretty clear what the responder intended, but sure. Here’s a citation: https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-t...

No it really isn't clear what the responder intended, and the contextless data point about vehicle emissions says nothing about the implications of a suburban style city on the health of the planet.

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Post by leetcrew »

ck425 wrote: post #405
leetcrew wrote: post #271

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> What other pieces of personal property does Western society openly embrace everyone owning but that can be used to murder people? knives would be the obvious answer, though they probably don't cause as much accidental carnage as cars.

That's the point. Cars have an unmatched level of potential damage compared to almost anything short of actual weapons. Insisting that drivers are careful in any areas where pedestrians might be and being strict about that isn't unreasonable.

I see what you're getting at, but I don't think this is a great way to show your point. a chef's knife is primarily a kitchen tool, but it makes for a much more effective weapon than a car. the thing that makes cars somewhat unique is their potential for unintentional damage.

> Insisting that drivers are careful in any areas where pedestrians might be and being strict about that isn't unreasonable.

sure, but this is a vague statement that has no real teeth. everyone agrees that drivers ought to try not to hit pedestrians. what gets fiercely debated is how civil (and possibly criminal) liability ought to be apportioned.

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Post by teloli »

tomxor wrote: post #416
teloli wrote: post #251

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Oh man, am I glad to be European. Walk to the bar, cycle to work, take the tram if it rains. American cities built for cars are just so sad.

I've never heard anyone self identify as "European" before, do you not feel a stronger personal identity to your own country? Or is it a "in the context of HN and the US affect"?

Ah yeah, it's just in this context. While I'd never introduce myself by saying "hi, I'm from Europe", I feel that there are more similarities than differences between EU countries in terms of public transport, healthcare, mass shootings, education, etc. compared to the US, and I feel very privileged to be born on the right side of the Atlantic. :)

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Post by hk__2 »

Anon1096 wrote: post #81
asutekku wrote: post #43

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If they want to do business in europe they should follow the european laws.

This site clearly doesn't want to, but you still have people like the GP and others here complaining. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If commenters here want sites to have the option to not deal with Europe, then they shouldn't also turn around and chide the sites for making that choice.

Note I’m not complaining; my comment was not sarcastic. This is a simple news website run by a nonprofit. Its data collection is probably limited to an off-the-shelf analytics solution.
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