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Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by francisofascii »

umvi wrote: post #21

Jaywalking drives me crazy... sometimes I wish American culture was more German/Japanese in this area and Americans walked the extra 20 feet to the nearest crosswalk and waited for the light. A few times now I've had to tap my brakes for some guy dashing across the street to the island in the middle because he was too impatient to wait for the light to change. Sometimes it's a lady with a shopping cart. These aren't…

> a lady with a shopping cart

Sounds like it is residential. That lady who has to risk death to get her groceries probably doesn't appreciate people going 45+ in her neighborhood.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by asutekku »

msla wrote: post #19
hk__2 wrote: post #14

This is what I get from France: > This site not available in your country I wonder what makes that website so special it can’t comply with GDPR.

I wonder what makes Europe so special it can demand companies outside of Europe comply with European law.

If they want to do business in europe they should follow the european laws.

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Post by woodruffw »

msla wrote: post #26

> Before the advent of the automobile, pedestrians in America were widely recognized as having the right of way in all situations. OK, let's go back to this. You can argue right-of-way with a ton of fiberglass and steel going 35 mph. Tell us all how that works out for you. Placing blame doesn't mean anything when the laws of physics dictate which one's going to be the winner in any given scenario.

> You can argue right-of-way with a ton of fiberglass and steel going 35 mph.

Shooting someone is still a crime, even though the laws of physics dictate that the bullet is going to win against my flesh. Right-of-way is a normative statement, not an extension of physical laws.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by dragontamer »

maxmorlocke wrote: post #16
ravenstine wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but why make a specific point about that with jaywalking? Can't that argument be made for just about any crime? Just seems like a useless red herring to make it about race when it doesn't need to be; it's a related but separate issue to whether jaywalking should be a crime in the first place.

Because jaywalking is very frequently used by police to target communities of color. As an example, 90% of the jaywalking citations given in NYC in 2019 were issued to people of color.

Furthermore: Police use the jaywalking as an excuse to perform more invasive searching.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/versace-shoe-designer-says-...

"You were Jaywalking, so I'm going to check you for Weapons / Weed / etc. etc."

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I think there should be some provision for Police to officially detain someone if they think there's an issue (but can't quite find a legal reason of doing so...). But at the same time, "abusing" the Jaywalking laws to do so is certainly the wrong way of doing it.

I recognize that racial profiling happens, even in urban centers where Police are given plenty of anti-racism training. I don't know what to do about that however, aside from making people at least aware of the issue.

Police need some leeway to do their job correctly. But whenever its because "I smell weed" or "You were Jaywalking", that just makes people angry and is counterproductive.

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