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THAT was your takeaway? That when she said she took it from 0 HCBU students to 300 students she also incorrectly said 300%?

I had a similar takeaway. The overall poor wording - odd number(s), bad words and grandeur - support the impression that it's a rage post, rather than a (at least attempted) faithful, balanced, report of the fact.

"Tone policing is an ad hominem (personal attack) and anti-debate tactic based on criticizing a person for expressing emotion. Tone policing detracts from the validity of a statement by attacking the tone in which it was presented rather than the message itself."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing

Re: Why Google Fired Me

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> The reason Google never hired an HBCU student straight out of undergrad into one of their key engineering roles is because they didn’t believe talent existed at these institutions- until I showed up. I pity white working class American males: no classic class privilege and no modern victim privilege.

Ironically, my understanding is they're also the most likely to vote against minimum wages, social security, universal health care, Pell Grants and so on, and to have bought into specious arguments about meritocracies. Hat tip to this book[0] "issues of race point to underlying problems in society that ultimately affect everyone, not just minorities". [0] https://www.amazon.com/Miners-Canary-Enlisting-Resisting-Tra..…

I'm probably biased, but I find that honorable. I'd rather be on the street than accept a dime forcefully extracted from a hardworking stranger. I find it unconscionable that so many foreigners come to Western countries with already-generous welfare systems and countless programs specifically established to materially benefit non-indigenous people, and still vote overwhelmingly in support of increased public benefits.

It's a slow ransacking under the guise of democracy. And some people still wonder why there's a mysterious uptick in White collectivism...

Re: Why Google Fired Me

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Reading this twitter thread, I am embarrassed. On one hand, as another user noted, I am reluctant to take too seriously somebody who present herself as a the best at her job and suggest the racist culture of the company led to her sacking. This is both generalizing and impossible to check at first glance.

On the other hand, the absence of any tech hires from HBCUs is a potentially verifiable fact that is deeply concerning.

Is there any way to confirm this assertion ? The other ones seems hard to investigate (although just as problematic if they are true).

Re: Why Google Fired Me

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She mentions that someone told her about being “intimidated” by her. Is this really something we shouldn't tell other people or should we work on it?

If someone has a tick accent that I can't understand or uses too much of slang that I cannot interpret without thinking about it or if someone acts as if they are simply a puppeteer of a persona(like if they bring up their identity all the time as if everything is about this persona definition but without personality) I also get very intimidated because I don't know what to expect at my encounters. I may intend to have a quick chat about something technical and it may end up me trying to understand what I did wrong to upset this person.

It's not about races or communities or genders, some people are acting as if they try to get upset, they are fishing for a chance to bring up their agenda or make everything about themselves.

In cases where there's no stigma to confront this kind of people, you can fight back but when this person is from a community that is ready to make it a big deal, it's really intimidating to confront people that make everything about themselves or their persona.

From the way she describes her standing point, I got the impression that she would be one of the people that I would try to avoid.

Re: Why Google Fired Me

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This sounds like someone I would not want anywhere near my business either. What a disgracefully unprofessional reaction. And what an awful person to have to try to work with. Imagine you land a well-paid cushy job at one of the best employers in the world, with the explicit task of recruiting other members of your race to also enjoy that prestigious privilege to the exclusion of others (not to mention the social pre…

That's not what white privilege is. From the thread:

> Before my role existed, Google had NEVER, and I mean fucking NEVER hired an HBCU student into a tech role-

_thats_ white privilege. Even if the number isn't correct, if google isn't even looking in these places, by virtue of going there and graduating even top of your class, you have little to no chance.

There's definitely two sides to this story, but that doesn't mean you should dismiss systemic issues.

Re: Why Google Fired Me

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a similar takeaway. The overall poor wording - odd number(s), bad words and grandeur - support the impression that it's a rage post, rather than a (at least attempted) faithful, balanced, report of the fact.

Of course it's a rage post, she feels awful, she even says it herself that she is still coping. That doesn't mean that it's any less credible, if you discredit it for those reasons the issue will just remain and keep going.

You are correct, of course. It doesn’t make it less credible, but it also doesn’t make it automatically credible.

I have not yet had a chance to read the letter and all commentary, but I hear echos of Max Howell’s “google didn’t hire me because I cannot invert a binary tree”.

It was obviously a rage post; it was obviously his impression of the interview (even though “inverting a binary tree”, being an ill-defined operation, is unlikely what they asked him to do).

And following that affair, my impression was that he wasn’t hired for reasons other than his programming abilities - being a team player (and specifically not being a loose cannon) matters at least as much.

I have no idea what the story is here, but taking one side or the other based on a single post (and prejudice) is not really helpful.

Re: Why Google Fired Me

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This sounds like someone I would not want anywhere near my business either. What a disgracefully unprofessional reaction. And what an awful person to have to try to work with. Imagine you land a well-paid cushy job at one of the best employers in the world, with the explicit task of recruiting other members of your race to also enjoy that prestigious privilege to the exclusion of others (not to mention the social pre…

That's not what white privilege is. From the thread: > Before my role existed, Google had NEVER, and I mean fucking NEVER hired an HBCU student into a tech role- _thats_ white privilege. Even if the number isn't correct, if google isn't even looking in these places, by virtue of going there and graduating even top of your class, you have little to no chance. There's definitely two sides to this story, but that doesn'…

In that case, I don't want to hear another word about 'white privilege' until we're mature enough to also confront the growing issue of 'black privilege', especially with everything that has happened this year.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, my understanding is they're also the most likely to vote against minimum wages, social security, universal health care, Pell Grants and so on, and to have bought into specious arguments about meritocracies. Hat tip to this book[0] "issues of race point to underlying problems in society that ultimately affect everyone, not just minorities". [0] https://www.amazon.com/Miners-Canary-Enlisting-Resisting-Tra..…

I'm probably biased, but I find that honorable. I'd rather be on the street than accept a dime forcefully extracted from a hardworking stranger. I find it unconscionable that so many foreigners come to Western countries with already-generous welfare systems and countless programs specifically established to materially benefit non-indigenous people, and still vote overwhelmingly in support of increased public benefits…

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Re: Why Google Fired Me

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I was not entirely sure where the idea behind diversity in the west comes from or what it is trying to achieve. After several years, I have figured it out.

It seems to me like the west doesn't have enough people to do key jobs and to they have decided that they'll solve this problem by importing skilled labor from abroad. To do that, workplaces must be changed to incorporate people from various backgrounds, hence, "diversity".

From the state perspective, there's also a need to employ the traditionally difficult to employ: people with various disabilities, socially unaccepted sexual identities, former convicts etc. So, the state works with the industries to try to make this happen. This would mean the state has less to worry about when unemployment rates go down and the industries get more available labor.

The black employment thing is a bit different but in a similar vein. Blacks are socially segregated and politically disenfranchised. Not to mention, the relations between blacks and whites have been worsened for political purposes. This meant it was easier for tech companies to hire talent from abroad than hire blacks. When Obama was elected, the industries decided to use him to fix this. Turns out blacks were not even studying tech. He did some work there to encourage blacks to study "coding" so that America would have to import fewer tech talent.

So, I believe that the entire "diversity" thing is a scam. The industry merely wants more people to be available for work. So, they work with politicians to teach people to pretend to "tolerate" others. "Political correctness" is just lying to people by hiding what you really think is correct. So, I say this as an outsider: if you want to succeed in their environment, don't fall for the diversity scam. There is no diversity, they simply don't like it. It makes them very uncomfortable. If you have to be there, dress white, talk white, try to fix your accent (Elsa speak is great), tell them what they want to hear. Never challenge their cultish behavior and dogmas. Never criticize Apple or question climate change.

If you want to speak your mind, go to anonymous forums and hide behind a username. You'll be heavily downvoted but that's fine.

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