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Post by konjin »

fastball wrote: post #199
dmode wrote: post #46

This is the fallacy of a "free speech" site. It gets taken over by extremists and soon you are just talking to each other in an echo chamber and agreeing with each other. And then you lose interest. That's why I never visit r/politics in Reddit anymore even though I am somewhat aligned with the political attitude of that sub.

I genuinely hope for your sake you are not aligned with the attitudes of /r/politics, that place is fucking bananas.

We need a planet where we can drop off everyone in voat and everyone from /r/politics on. It will work because everyone is white and mentally ill.

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Post by Jommi »

iKevinShah wrote: post #163
sellyme wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've seen people take time to go through your profile and dig out one comment and then label you, just one. That feels like a disgrace. Eh, depends on the comment. I recently saw a particularly erroneous comment about COVID-19, so I checked the poster's comment history to see whether it was worth trying to engage them in good faith, or just post a dry correction for others to see. I then saw this comment posted ear…

Yeah I mean sure, see, my personal POV is the world isnt binary and there are always, always edge cases. The thing you said seems more of an edge case where one comment is sufficient. But this has to be the exceptional cases, not the norm (however, it is not a norm for reddit users, surely is for celebrities / well known figures)

you forget reddit is a constantly living thing. Check the thread again. You have to scroll way down to see any negative notions. Its clearly just noise.

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Post by ashtonkem »

ninkendo wrote: post #108
raldi wrote: post #84

Moderated communities beat unmoderated ones on any metric you can name. Always have, always will. Nobody wants to drink at a pub that won't throw out rude patrons.

Exactly this. Folks can rant about free speech all they want, but no sane person would actually want to experience it. I support your right to speak, but doesn’t mean I want to listen to you. IMO the only parts of the internet that should be absolutely required to allow unfiltered (legal, protected) speech, should be ISP’s, and maybe datacenters that rent out physical rack space. Everyone else should absolutely consi…

> Folks can rant about free speech all they want, but no sane person would actually want to experience it.

Always remember that "free speech" is 100% about the right to say what you want and not be prosecuted for it. It has never, ever been about the social consequences of any particular one person's speech. Insulting your boss and getting fired isn't an abridgement of free speech, neither is getting banned from the neighborhood pub for racist monologues.

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Post by aaron695 »

raldi wrote: post #84

Moderated communities beat unmoderated ones on any metric you can name. Always have, always will. Nobody wants to drink at a pub that won't throw out rude patrons.

Voat was moderated.

No one designs forums that are un-moderated that I know of? Maybe newsgroups 25 years ago would fit.

Community moderation is an interesting idea that I believe is still unsolved online.

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Post by tristan957 »

Sebguer wrote: post #27
technion wrote: post #8

Whilst the content on voat kept me from using it, I clicked this link and couldn't help noticing how quickly it loaded. How much content was on the screen. How many comments I could read before hitting "load more", which simply loaded more rather than sending me to a different page. For a site with funding issues and limited Devs, voats usability should be a huge embarassment to the Reddit it based itself on.

This is a pretty weird assertion - Voat doesn't have to worry about literally any of the scale problems Reddit does.

The design of your website in Reddit's case has nothing to do with scale. Shitty UX will always be shitty UX no matter how many users are on your platform.

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Post by TeeMassive »

* "It's a private company, you can go elsewhere!" * New social media platform appears * Go elsewhere * New platforms becomes noticed * Suddenly huge influx of hate speech * Suddenly NYT / WaPo hit pieces a few moments later * Suddenly canceled by payment processor and hosting providers

I can understand that those banned will go to the next platform, but even with moderation those companies get all the same treatment anyway.

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Post by efwfwef »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #94
efwfwef wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All in all, these people think as hard as us that they are right, that they are the better people, that they have the better ideologies. I just can't fathom it. I'm convinced at this point that the only way to think about it is to understand that the IQ average of that group must be pretty low.

EQ, not IQ. So much of right-wing politics is predicated in lacking empathy for others.

I think it's both, it's not just an empathy thing because they do have empathy: but only for their family, their neighbors of colors, etc. It's more selective sure, but it's still empathy.

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Post by raldi »

aaron695 wrote: post #254
raldi wrote: post #84

Moderated communities beat unmoderated ones on any metric you can name. Always have, always will. Nobody wants to drink at a pub that won't throw out rude patrons.

Voat was moderated. No one designs forums that are un-moderated that I know of? Maybe newsgroups 25 years ago would fit. Community moderation is an interesting idea that I believe is still unsolved online.

That reads to me a bit like saying party planning is still unsolved.

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Post by antonvs »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #179
zapzupnz wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really a reply to the whole tech debt bit, but the ~ symbol is called a tilde in English. I suspect spelling it with an a at the end comes from another language?

No, the symbol is called a tilde in Spanish , where it's part of the writing system. It's unused in English and therefore doesn't really have a name, but people who have learned Spanish may call it a tilde. If you were studying Greek, you'd call it a "circumflex". (Or, if you were Greek, you'd call it a "perispomene".) Spelling it as "tilda" just reflects the fact that a reduced vowel in English may be spelled in any…

The tilde is used in mathematics, logic, and computer science, and in those contexts the word in English that's commonly used for it is "tilde".

The word is in conventional English dictionaries, like Oxford, Cambridge, and Merriam-Webster. As those sources will tell you, it's also used to describe the mark "used when writing some languages".

As such, the idea that it's somehow not a word in English is just silly.

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Post by glouwbug »

totony wrote: post #200
weare138 wrote: post #144

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>Voat is proof that we are not yet deserving of free speech It's not the we the people are not deserving of free speech, it's the idea the right to 'free speech' supersedes other rights and should go unchecked at the expense of others that undermines the concept for so many. Besides, it wasn't free speech or lack thereof that's causing Voat to fold. Apparently no one wanted to pay to hear what they had to say. Everyo…

>'free speech' supersedes other rights and should go unchecked at the expense of others Curious about this, what right does anti-Semite/racism rhetoric removes from others? How can words affect your rights as a person?

> How can words affect your rights as a person?

Remember the holocaust

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