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Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by Anon1096 »

asutekku wrote: post #43
msla wrote: post #19

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I wonder what makes Europe so special it can demand companies outside of Europe comply with European law.

If they want to do business in europe they should follow the european laws.

This site clearly doesn't want to, but you still have people like the GP and others here complaining. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If commenters here want sites to have the option to not deal with Europe, then they shouldn't also turn around and chide the sites for making that choice.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by IncRnd »

hk__2 wrote: post #14

This is what I get from France: > This site not available in your country I wonder what makes that website so special it can’t comply with GDPR.

The site is run by nonprofit online news organization covering state government and policy in Virginia.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by caconym_ »

msla wrote: post #26

> Before the advent of the automobile, pedestrians in America were widely recognized as having the right of way in all situations. OK, let's go back to this. You can argue right-of-way with a ton of fiberglass and steel going 35 mph. Tell us all how that works out for you. Placing blame doesn't mean anything when the laws of physics dictate which one's going to be the winner in any given scenario.

A shift in thinking toward cars not being kings of the road rightfully able to plow through any and all obstacles with impunity will make all road users safer. Removal of a tool police use to disproportionately stop and harass poor and/or non-white people will contribute to wiping out the absurd extant bias in policing.

This has nothing to do with advocating that pedestrians start stepping out in front of cars. Take a moment to understand the issue before deploying your straw man.

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Post by _jal »

erulabs wrote: post #11

Seeing as encounters with law enforcement are probably more deadly on average than jaywalking - I wholly support this change. Being poor in a car city is something most folks in the circles I run in now have never experienced or thought about. The documentary “Los Angeles Plays Itself” has a fantastic section about this.

I would say that differently.

Given that non-cop/cop interactions are not risk-free, avoiding them is only sensible, as is not creating unnecessary reasons for interaction, like inventing "crimes" like this.

If you don't like thinking of cops as danger sources, then tell yourself it frees up cops for more important work.

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Post by bigcorp-slave »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #54
bigcorp-slave wrote: post #41

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Christ, why? Have you see what decriminalization of street crime has done to San Francisco? It’s a disaster.

Decriminalization without functioning social work infra is this result. Just because SF is incompetent in this regard does not mean continued criminalization of minor offenses should continue. There’s nuance, and that nuance is critical to the discussion.

Oh please. These crimes have real consequences, both financially and in quality of life for the people who live in these areas. Almost everyone I know has had their car broken into. I know multiple people who have been assaulted. I personally have had to run from a homeless man with a knife. I’ve seen people grind up pills on the roof of a trash can and snort them next to a police officer.

We deserve a better quality of life than this. There is absolutely no reason to tolerate people behaving in this way in society. These are adult human beings with agency who should face consequences for their actions. The problem isn’t lack of investment or infra, the problem is incentivizing behavior that is destructive to a functioning society.

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Post by KingMachiavelli »

hmottestad wrote: post #27
hmottestad wrote: post #22

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Funny. Works fine in Norway, where GDPR also applies due to EEA. I guess their lawyers don't know that.

Just checked their privacy policy: > By using Virginia Mercury, you consent to the collection and use, in accordance with this policy, of the information you provide to us. This means they don't comply with GDPR.

Although unless they do business in Europe, there would not be any legal recourse for the EU right? I'm always surprised that any business that can block all EU/GDPR users without impacting their business would even need to care about the laws in those places.

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Post by LordDragonfang »

vorpalhex wrote: post #25
erulabs wrote: post #11

Seeing as encounters with law enforcement are probably more deadly on average than jaywalking - I wholly support this change. Being poor in a car city is something most folks in the circles I run in now have never experienced or thought about. The documentary “Los Angeles Plays Itself” has a fantastic section about this.

> encounters with law enforcement are probably more deadly on average than jaywalking 36 pedestrians were killed last year in accidents in my city. We have one contested police shooting. 31 the year before that, two contested shootings. At least biweekly there's an article in the local paper about someone hit while illegally crossing a highway, often at night. I have unfortunately seen a pedestrian get hit by crossin…

>I have unfortunately seen a pedestrian get hit by crossing on a red walk sign

Which is an indication that jaywalking isn't the real problem here, it's inattentive drivers. How many of the 36 above were similar situations?

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Post by toomuchtodo »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #67
toomuchtodo wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decriminalization without functioning social work infra is this result. Just because SF is incompetent in this regard does not mean continued criminalization of minor offenses should continue. There’s nuance, and that nuance is critical to the discussion.

There's a massive gulf between crime with a victim like shoplifting and general petty theft and crime without a victim, like jaywalking, that everyone seems to go willingly blind to on an ideological as-needed basis.

How much does it cost to run someone through the legal system for shoplifting? Is that an effective use of resources versus preventing the shoplifting using social services? Three strikes laws have proven very expensive and not very useful for behavioral nudges, so maybe we explore other ways to get folks to shy away from committing property crimes.
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