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Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

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This is something I have struggled with in my life and am trying to work on. The older I get the more I feel that people generally suck, which is not an attitude I particularly care to have, but it has borne itself out a number of times in my past.

For most of my life I have assumed that people are mostly good, and while this may actually be true, when I reflect on some of the times in my life I was stressed out it was due to extending myself to others, to then later feel taken advantage of or on the hook for future favors.

As an example, I helped an older neighbor put up a wireless security camera. I had the same camera and I used a double-sided industrial strength adhesive to affix it to the side of my house. When my neighbor asked for help and I made it clear upfront that I'm not too handy, and this is just what worked for me. I didn't have a drill or screws for a proper install and in my case those weren't needed. Mine had been installed for 6 months at the time using the adhesive. I told her that if she was OK with that then I'm happy to get out the ladder and install it. Turns out, the siding material on her house was different than mine and her camera only stuck to it for a couple of hours before dropping off, swinging by its solar-panel's charging cable. She stormed over, knocked aggressively on my door during my dinner, and marched me over to the swinging camera to show it to me suspended in the breeze. Her girlfriend also commented on my inept handy work.

So, I helped a neighbor and was honest upfront with a disclaimer. She accepted and then when things didn't work out she made it my fault. I was the schmuck. Oh, and I setup the software on her computer and phone so she could get email alerts for motion activity. Despite the generosity I showed with my time, when the outcome wasn't ideal I got blow-back for my good deed.

This also reminds me of the time I let my choosing beggar neighbor hop on our WiFi network until he got his installed. Needless to say, he never did get his own and became indignant when I cut his access off after several months of free use. Yep, lots of people suck.

Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

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Be kind to everyone and it will return to you ten fold. It is what worked for me personally and I will continue doing it. Anyone who says that been kind is a weakness, just don't know what been kind really means. Happy holidays everyone!

> Anyone who says that been kind is a weakness, just don't know what been kind really means.

Alright, what does being kind really mean?

Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

#253

Defaulting to generosity - while operating with healthy boundaries - is by far the most beneficial mindset. The alternatives are: Victim. "I am too weak and poor to help anyone but I expect people to help me." This belief corrodes you. Stoic(can't think of a better word.) "I don't help anyone and therefore I don't expect anyone to help me". Well, better than the victim but ends up passing up many opportunities where…

I think there is a whole lot of anthropological and economic thinking on roles that you haven’t covered. For example gift giving can be a role people use to indicate status, and/or caretaking of a local community. Giving comes with, some people argue, complex social relationships. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy

Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

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> Emotions are a drawback imo, the fact that they're so deeply intertwined with the logical parts is a drawback. Homie I hope you eventually wake up and smell the coffee :). Take away emotions, lol, and you literally are no longer a human being. Lol take away emotions and you literally die - fear, anger, sadness,desire, hunger, joy, curiosity . Intellectual curiosity is an emotion . The joy of solving a problem, doin…

Perhaps you're right. My opinion has only been formulated from my own experience, so it's very limited. Emotions have simply been a net negative for me, and I barely experience the good ones.

Word. And I appreciate your thoughtful response. Emotions aren't easy - they're work. Like with many things though, the work pays off over time.

The most surprising part of therapy to me was just how rational, analytical, and logical it all is. Like, things start to make sense which didn't before. Therapy has many components but identifying irrational distortions in our own thought processes is a huge part of it. Which strengthens our ability to rationally assess and interact with our own feelings as they arise.

Thus, counterintuitively, embracing emotional work actually decreases the discomfort/negative impacts of the unpleasant or negative emotions we wish to avoid. Unfortunately, avoidance actually makes it worse.

And therapy often feels unpleasant, but, so does exercise. And therapy's a lot less unpleasant than whatever motivates one to engage in therapy to begin with ;).

LOL FWIW I've basically found that personal growth is a process of discovering my own backwards/inverted internal logics. : /.

If the stuff I said before resonates, FYI, it's all basically cribbed from Buddhist thought or research on mindfulness (UCLA has a pretty good center doing mindfulness research & this is a good book: https://www.uclahealth.org/marc/fully-present).

I got lucky enough to be able to do (still do) a significant amount of therapy w/a skilled shrink (psychologist with Phd with at least some cognitive-behavioral background work, ideally having significant clinical experience) which has been a huge help to me. I also got lucky and the shrink in question had excellent judgement and was the right kind of person for me, which is critical. Seen bad shrinks too.

Lol so all this means I'm definitely biased from my own experience.

FWIW I hope you find opportunities to cultivate the good emotions as they arrive in your life, from a simple cup of coffee (or whatever you like) to whatever. In addition to it's own benefits, this has been shown to improve our ability to manage or mitigate negative emotions in a healthy way.

I don't do it enough but there's significant amounts of research showing that writing in a journal (about anything) about ten minutes a day has really positive mental health outcomes, as does making a daily short list of 2-3 small things (like coffee ; ) to be grateful for.

And of course stuff like exercise, yoga, some kind of physical activity. Sorry if I've gotten preachy - as you can tell it's something I have strong feelings about, hah, pun intended.

Point being, while I can't speak to your circumstances, as a general rule it's actually very simple and straightforward to apply (but simple isn't the same as easy! Doing 101 pushups - simple, not easy) all the good science around specific, straightforward techniques for increasing genuine and healthy positive emotions, and mitigating the discomfort of negative ones or sort of neutralizing them altogether.

And all of this eventually helps one cease any self-destructive coping/self-medication behaviors (which I have done/do) - drugs, alcohol, computer games, overwork, etc, which, in this context, beyond their moment of actual use, make negative emotions worse and make it tougher to experience positive emotions.

Like mastery of any skill it takes patience and time but pays off in a big way.

peace! :)

-a

Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

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I only help people in the things that I’m likely to be the best resource. I’ll help you with a career transition discussion. No matter how many hours it takes. On the other hand when my best friend asked to help him move. I told him no. Laughed in his face. None of my friends dare ask me for physical help now. I think the world is a better place when we specialize in things we are uniquely gifted at.

You don't have to be uniquely gifted to help someone move, just average.

If I’m helping you move I’m taking away time from those I could be helping.

Same reason I don’t pick people from airport. I know I sound like a dick, and I don’t mind the downvotes, they are informative.

You have only so much time.

Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

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I only help people in the things that I’m likely to be the best resource. I’ll help you with a career transition discussion. No matter how many hours it takes. On the other hand when my best friend asked to help him move. I told him no. Laughed in his face. None of my friends dare ask me for physical help now. I think the world is a better place when we specialize in things we are uniquely gifted at.

You might be trying to apply a business/market principle to domains where they probably are not fitting. Eg specialization has its place in nature, but there is also the problem of overfitting, and those beings usually die out if their environment changes slightly. Packs of wolves do automatically specialize their individuals (eg alpha wolf spends more time looking after the others) - but the crucial part is that the…

I would never ask someone to help me move. I don’t understand why anyone who’s middle class or higher doesn’t outsource that activity.

If you’re so poor that you can’t hire movers I’d rather give you cash so you could hire someone.

Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

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Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

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This seems unclear. I mean, either X causes Y or it doesn’t. (If you change X, holding everything else constant, does Y change or not?) One thing you might mean is that causal chains are very complex and variable, so the average causal effect in a large population is not very informative about any individual - it’s an average of many different sized effects.

I agree with your second paragraph, mostly. It's a big mess of causes and effects--some going in one direction and some going in the other. To assume that they "average" requires that they be quantifiable and in the same dimension--which might not be the case. As for your first paragraph, I don't think you can reasonably treat causation like an everywhere-binary like that. Not for arbitrary choices of X and Y. Take "…

The problem here is that hunger and war are woolly concepts.[1] But I wouldn't say causation is a myth at this level. You can reasonably ask whether hunger causes war and run IV regressions, instrumenting hunger with e.g. rainfall, which have a reasonable chance at testing that hypothesis.[2]

[1] More thoughts about this at: https://wyclif.substack.com/p/on-social-science-about-comple...

[2] Like the literature coming from http://data.nber.org/ens/feldstein/ENSA%20Sources/Geospatial...

Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

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>I think kindness doesn’t have to be in personal interactions, especially in a business context. I’m perfectly polite, but also very honest. To be frank, I find the ratio of people who actually do that to people who think they do that but are really using it as an excuse for not exercising their interpersonal skills is 1:1000. I've known many people that called themselves brutally honest, but with the exception of on…

I have been managing people for many years now. It’s a hard balance, but I always start from a place of empathy. I find it easy to be empathetic first and then lay out then business/situational needs. We don’t do brutal honesty, just gentle honesty. When people are brutally honest they just use it as cover for being an asshole. I am probably not being clear about what I think about kindness, it’s a subtle point. Even…

Great! Keep at it, then!

Re: Being kind to others is good for your health

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post #258

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I agree with your second paragraph, mostly. It's a big mess of causes and effects--some going in one direction and some going in the other. To assume that they "average" requires that they be quantifiable and in the same dimension--which might not be the case. As for your first paragraph, I don't think you can reasonably treat causation like an everywhere-binary like that. Not for arbitrary choices of X and Y. Take "…

The problem here is that hunger and war are woolly concepts.[1] But I wouldn't say causation is a myth at this level. You can reasonably ask whether hunger causes war and run IV regressions, instrumenting hunger with e.g. rainfall, which have a reasonable chance at testing that hypothesis.[2] [1] More thoughts about this at: https://wyclif.substack.com/p/on-social-science-about-comple... [2] Like the literature comin…

I'm gonna check out those links but I just wanted to clarify that I think causation is a myth at all levels, even the hardest of sciences. It's just that it's a more useful myth in those places.
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