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Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by gorgonzolachz »

bilal4hmed wrote: post #25

I'm glad some of yall are mentioning cost. These articles while awesome usually don't mention the cost to operate and support such endeavors. I would like to host my own Matrix instance, but I have no idea what the cost would be monthly.

Synapse is essentially invisible on a $5/mo digitalocean VM, in my experience. I don't have too many people on it, but I've run my own server for about a year and a half now and I've had no issues whatsoever. Throw it on a VM if you have one lying around, and if not you can always spin up a new one and use it for any other services you want to host in the future.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by behringer »

kmclean wrote: post #47
nr2x wrote: post #42

I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

Yeah I'm a little worried about the maintenance burden, tbh. I'm not actually a linux/sysadmin type person, but I was pretty keen to achieve my goal of being Google free by 2021 (which I'm happy to announce with this migration that I did :), though I still watch youtube anonymously sometimes). But I'm not sure it'll be the most ideal solution for the long term. I'll see what the maintenance burden actually is like th…

I think buying a NAS with all the built in software you need is a more sensible approach for the average enthusiast. But nextcloud is cool too.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by IncRnd »

nfriedly wrote: post #83
g_p wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getmail is probably your best bet for an automated email backup - that will fetch your email over IMAP (getmail-gmail-xoauth-tokens can use oauth to connect to IMAP) and store it as a maildir or mbox. You can then use that with whatever client or search system you like. You could then use this maildir as the backend for a dovecot IMAP server and use any webmail client of your choosing to connect to this and search it…

Thanks! That sounds like about what I'm looking for! And, yea, I'm not so concerned about which protocol to use or deleting the email from Google's server, I just want my own local copy of it.

If you use a local mail client, you could drag all your gmail folders to the local folder area. Most clients will then copy all the emails to a local destination. Then you could have a rule that copies all incoming mail into the local folder, catching any future mails.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by throwaway201103 »

nkrisc wrote: post #19
flatiron wrote: post #10

I’m a solo person on google enterprise for $20 a month. It sadly cannot be beat. Unlimited storage (almost 40TB) and email is all I care about and it works pretty much flawlessly (besides this weeks outage). I wouldn’t want to have the hassle of running it myself nor the price of storing all that data. So sadly I remain with google.

> Unlimited storage (almost 40TB) Huh? One of those is finite and the other is not.

40TB is essentially infinite unless you're doing something with large amounts of media content.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

Can any nextcloud user suggest why to use nextcloud instead of a network drive for a small office where everything is done offline and within LAN ? Mapped network drive is painlessly easy. Open file manager, click any file and you are there. There isnt much for "collaboration" when you can just talk face to face.

I really want to use nextcloud for managing files but I could not find a satisfactory answer.

Oh, I have a daily file backup meaning I can get any copy of a file from last year so that is covered.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by Shared404 »

kmclean wrote: post #47
nr2x wrote: post #42

I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

Yeah I'm a little worried about the maintenance burden, tbh. I'm not actually a linux/sysadmin type person, but I was pretty keen to achieve my goal of being Google free by 2021 (which I'm happy to announce with this migration that I did :), though I still watch youtube anonymously sometimes). But I'm not sure it'll be the most ideal solution for the long term. I'll see what the maintenance burden actually is like th…

One option which is what I've been doing is just using SFTP.

I find that that reduces the maintenance burden to just keeping a machine running and patched.

I also set up a read-only web frontend with NGINX's directory indexing + htaccess so I can share files easily.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by sm4rk0 »

indigodaddy wrote: post #89
auggierose wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, what, Google is bad now, and Oracle good? Funny world.

I thought I was just talking about vm/compute, which is quite a lot different than using a mail service where you are essentially the product.

Bad guys are bad guys whatever service they sell. I've created an Oracle Technology Network account (luckily, with my ex-company email) in order to download something from OTN and soon was swamped with spam from various companies they sold my address to, with no way to unsubscribe. Should I mention that I always untick the "send me marketing offers" checkbox?

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by kayson »

aborsy wrote: post #94
kayson wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair... I think the learning curve causes higher maintenance time cost at the beginning. But eventually you get stable infrastructure as code set up with good log monitoring and backups and you really don't have to think about it anymore. Any problems and you'll get an alert.

The infrastructure might be stable now, but could break with an update.

Very true. Which is why I don't do automatic updates except for security updates. 99/100 times, though, if I update a docker container the new one works just fine.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by Daegalus »

I really tried to like Nextcloud. I set it up multiple times. And it was a giant cluttered mess of a UI, things worked poorly, and as much as I want to be ok with a PHP app, I don't trust PHP.

And its not because I want it to be JS web app or anything like that. Just the core HTML/CSS is poorly implemented and just doesn't look good.

The calendar and addons system just work so poorly. I just cant use it. I just use Seafile for filesharing.

I've run my own email before, also a pain in the ass for spam management. I do own my own domain and use ImprovMX.com to forward it to a free Gmail account. So if I ever need move, I can do it quickly and easily by just changing the forward.

I'm not privacy conscious so I don't really care to run from Google for that reason, I just am tired of them shutting down and killing services I use often.

I just haven't hit an email service that matches the spam fighting powers of Google yet. or the UI. Everything else looks so traditional. and I don't want to pay $99 for Hey, mostly only do month to month so I can easily cancel and not waste money if I want to stop using it.

Anyways, I digress. I just haven't found the right combination of tools for me, but Nextcloud was not it. I honestly think its horribly designed. We need an alternative to it, but I know its a huge undertaking to make something like this, so I am not sure it will happen any time soon.

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