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London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by luckman212 »

iamben wrote: post #67
LatteLazy wrote: post #59

I live in London. The core issue here is that the government hasn't really taken any action. There are "rules" but they are full of loopholes and totally unenforced. 2 cases in particular stand out to me: Compliance with mask wearing on TFL is less than 50%. "Covid enforcement" officers walk around about one train in 50, and despite it being 8 months since this started, "I don't have one" is an acceptable answer to w…

Exactly my experiences in London. Crazy isn't it? I just don't think people even believe it's real. Half the people with a mask on TFL wear them over their chin or with their nose out anyway.

Not familiar with the TFL acronym - Google says "Transport for London" (underground train). Is that right?

Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by qz2 »

leke wrote: post #69

“When the virus changes its method of attack we must change our method of defense,” What did I miss? How is this mutation attacking differently?

Until we actually hear evidence that it is, then it’s not. But we still have to sleep with one eye open.

Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by gnusty_gnurc »

andylynch wrote: post #61
lefrenchy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not like no nation in the world has succeeded at containing this virus. Thailand, Vietnam, South Korea, New Zealand. We have the solutions, we just refuse to do what it takes to solve it. Western nations are taking half measures with poor enforcement, and blaming individuals for failures that should be attributed to institutions.

Aussie and I think most impressively China too.

Australia is an island with a population almost half California.

China welds people in their houses and forcibly enters homes and drags family to some location. I have no desire to emulate them.

Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by spuz »

oxfordmale wrote: post #64
spuz wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought tier restriction breaches could be punished by fixed penalties? Many have received such penalties.

Based on the wording by Boris Johnson the travel ban is advisory. He uses the word should and not must when referring to the travel ban: "People should not enter or leave tier 4 areas, and tier 4 residents must not stay overnight away from home" Travel ban is advisory, overnight stay is banned by law.

Thanks for clarifying. I don't think that's the correct interpretation though. The government advice for tier 4 says:

> You must not leave or be outside of your home except for where you have a specific purpose, or a ‘reasonable excuse’

> If you live in a tier 4 area, you must stay at home. You must not leave your home to travel unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons

So when Boris says "should" I believe he means "must unless you are in one of the excluded categories".

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home#stay-at-home

Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by HatchedLake721 »

luckman212 wrote: post #71
iamben wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly my experiences in London. Crazy isn't it? I just don't think people even believe it's real. Half the people with a mask on TFL wear them over their chin or with their nose out anyway.

Not familiar with the TFL acronym - Google says "Transport for London" (underground train). Is that right?

Correct

Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by pixxel »

luckman212 wrote: post #71
iamben wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly my experiences in London. Crazy isn't it? I just don't think people even believe it's real. Half the people with a mask on TFL wear them over their chin or with their nose out anyway.

Not familiar with the TFL acronym - Google says "Transport for London" (underground train). Is that right?

Yah.

Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by [deleted] »

luckman212 wrote: post #71
iamben wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly my experiences in London. Crazy isn't it? I just don't think people even believe it's real. Half the people with a mask on TFL wear them over their chin or with their nose out anyway.

Not familiar with the TFL acronym - Google says "Transport for London" (underground train). Is that right?

[deleted]

Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by tux1968 »

spuz wrote: post #68
tux1968 wrote: post #44

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That's not very reassuring, why is the new strain causing any problems at all if it behaves exactly like the existing strain? And if they haven't actually done any trials or testing, then they haven't really looked for any evidence. If they haven't looked for any, it seems rather too convenient to use the lack of evidence as a reason for hope that the current crop of vaccines provides any protection at all.

> why is the new strain causing any problems at all if it behaves exactly like the existing strain? If it's true that the new strain is 70% more transmissible then that means more people will get sick before we can reach immunity thanks to a vaccine, hospitals will be overwhelmed sooner and more people will die.

While that's true, the issue being addressed is if the current vaccines would help at all even if we could deploy them instantly. It honestly seems like an open question, although apparently people are hopeful it'll work out that way.

Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by iamben »

luckman212 wrote: post #71
iamben wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly my experiences in London. Crazy isn't it? I just don't think people even believe it's real. Half the people with a mask on TFL wear them over their chin or with their nose out anyway.

Not familiar with the TFL acronym - Google says "Transport for London" (underground train). Is that right?

Yup, sorry. Basically the public transport network. So underground and overground trains and buses (mostly - they also licence the cabs and water taxis as well).

Re: London put in emergency lockdown as U.K. fights new strain

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Post by aserafini »

luckman212 wrote: post #71
iamben wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly my experiences in London. Crazy isn't it? I just don't think people even believe it's real. Half the people with a mask on TFL wear them over their chin or with their nose out anyway.

Not familiar with the TFL acronym - Google says "Transport for London" (underground train). Is that right?

Yes but also any public transport in London, eg. Buses are also ‘TfL’. And a few Thames taxis.
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