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Post by Shared404 » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 4:54 AM UTC

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> https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817 from the results itself : Although the difference observed was not statistically significant, the 95% CIs are compatible with a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection and from the conclusion : The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a comm…

> from the results itself : Again, taken from the "Limitations" section: "no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others." I never said that masks greatly help protect the individual, I said they help slow the spread of the pandemic. > She is a medical professional Any chance you could link me to here credentials then? Has she authored any peer reviewed papers? Actually…

Post by Shared404 » Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 4:35 PM UTC

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And just for fun, this is a quote from the paper [0] cited in your YouTube video: "Nevertheless, the overall 3.4 fold reduction in aerosol copy numbers we observed combined with a nearly complete elimination of large droplet spray demonstrated by Johnson et al. suggests that surgical masks worn by infected persons could have a clinically significant impact on transmission" [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23505369…

>suggests that surgical masks worn by infected persons could have a clinically significant impact on transmission could have, doesn't mean will have and most people don't use surgical mask

Post by Shared404 » Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 2:57 AM UTC

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From Above: > You've moved the goalpost: > Masks don't work -> Some masks don't work. Edit: Also, really? You're going to be that pedantic? It's pretty obvious what the intent behind that sentence was. Until you can provide a better source, I'm done.

for clarification, this is my stance: most mask that is used by general population doesn't work, at least for the purpose of preventing virus. If you want to force people to wear mask(whether they want it or not) you better come up with strong evidence that it work and the benefit should be more than the downside. At least I'm still willing to accept compromise by not against voluntary mask.

Post by Shared404 » Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 3:51 PM UTC

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I know I said I was done, but I ran across this earlier: https://thehill.com/policy/international/530628-swedens-king... > If you want to force people to wear mask(whether they want it or not) you better come up with strong evidence that it work and the benefit should be more than the downside. Already provided both, but we're not going back into that until you have more sources, preferably reputable ones that actual…

> https://thehill.com/policy/international/530628-swedens-king... I disagree with him by calling it failed. the death rate is not significantly different compared to previous year and most importantly life is still pretty much normal. >Already provided both, but we're not going back into that until you have more sources, preferably reputable ones that actually agree with you. You haven't provided strong evidence so f…

Post by Shared404 » Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 3:24 PM UTC

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> That's a compromise. No, that's a default. You doing your thing and me doing mine. That's not what a compromise is.

>You doing your thing and me doing mine. I'm ok with that. you want to wear your mask its up to you, as long as you are not forcing it to other people.