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Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by aranelsurion »

machello13 wrote: post #332
aranelsurion wrote: post #115

I think most of the negative sentiment against Cyberpunk 2077 comes from three sources: 1) Some players expected this to be cyberpunk-themed RDR2/GTA5. It turns out it's nothing like that, it's more like a new Deus Ex game. 2) It just doesn't run on consoles. It's a very inferior experience, unless you're the type who can be happy with 2020 movies in .3gp format in your old Nokia phone. Having watched a video ( https…

> It's a shame that this game now has such a bad reputation for relatively minor & mostly avoidable reasons. What? You said yourself Xbox and PS4 users are seeing an "inferior experience." PS literally stopped selling the game in their store. What about that is relatively minor?

By relatively minor I meant a large portion of these issues live in the category of "technical hiccups and such" and not in the core of what the game itself is.

A slow and buggy game can become a faster and stable game over time with patches and polish, a game that is boring, dull or put simply, a bad idea won't become much better. You can't polish a turd and make something better out of it. Take VtM: Bloodlines as an example. People stack patches on top of patches from random websites only to be able to play this game in a somewhat acceptable state, and yet it's a well-known darling of gaming circles.

By impact this is indeed nowhere near minor. I'm just saying most of this could be avoided, and the core of the game, regardless of its issues today, is appealing.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by bird_monster »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #478
bird_monster wrote: post #381

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#1 is not at all objective. I would say a world that revolves around deception, fraud, sex work, black market body modification is definitely in the realm of "Mature RPG". #2 was mostly a lie #3 Meh. You level up, you customize your character based on perks and skills. You get items that you can customize. This one seems fine. #4 Is fair I think. Stealth + hacking + fighting + talking. You can build your character to…

Having nudity and dildos hardly makes a world “mature”. More like a juvenile frat boy’s version of mature. If you want mature storytelling, look at the Red Dead series. Incidentally, I saw this today: https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/cd-projekt-red-to-tone-...

If your perception of this game's story is "nudity and dildos", you just haven't played the game at all.

There are story missions dealing with sex workers and their validity as humans. There are story missions addressing rape and misconduct towards sex workers. There are story missions dealing with human trafficking. There are story missions dealing with corporate espionage. The list goes on. None of these things are "juvenile", I would say, nor can they be watered down to "nudity and dildos." This game is not Saints Row, it is not cartoony or silly.

You can dislike the story, but you should not mischaracterize the subject matter to downplay certain parts of its validity. The story is absolutely "mature". There is no question.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by dawnerd »

tomc1985 wrote: post #320
nefasti wrote: post #296

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Blaming the consumer is jot the way to go.

Some of the blame goes to the consumer though. The community here is really playing up the drama in a childish way. Many games have had far worse launches, and got panned in reviews (both critic and user), and haven't seen this kind of outrage. The gaming community sucks, full stop. I'm part of several reddit communities for various games and in a majority of the cases those subreddits are a swamp, full of anger and…

100% disagree. None of the blame is on the consumers. The studio pitches a game. People get excited. People buy it. None of that is the consumers' fault. It's false advertising, period.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by deadbunny »

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #401
dawnerd wrote: post #159

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I’m over 10 hours in on pc and there’s more than just “some bugs”. This game is still in alpha. I don’t know why people are being so defensive. We were looking forward to a great game and were mislead. I’m personally just gonna hold off on playing anymore until they actually finish the game.

I’m about 30 hours into the Xbox One X release and it’s a tough love. The game is unbelievably awesome when it works. Unfortunately, it doesn’t really work/play well. I have crashes every 30-45min. Glitches are so commonplace it’s clearly beta quality at best. I’ve gotten to the point where I know to have the best chance to actually play a mission I need to get to the right location (use waypoints since driving crash…

It really should never have been released on last gen consoles.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by krzyk »

BoorishBears wrote: post #349
imbnwa wrote: post #326

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Why is this being downvoted so heavily?

It's a common refrain for people who are enjoying the game to say anyone who isn't is trying to kill their fun... I'd actually agree with that if I hadn't just listed several detailed points. It's not like I'm just saying "the game is crap!" Ironically what I've noticed is people who are enjoying it go to great lengths to invalidate anyone who isn't...

> Ironically what I've noticed is people who are enjoying it go to great lengths to invalidate anyone who isn't...

And the other way around also. Those that don't like the game try to ruin it for those that like it.

BTW. Your whole previous comment pretty much has a "TL;DR the game is crap", not a single good point about a game.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 Refunds

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Post by krzyk »

cbsks wrote: post #463
linkdd wrote: post #450

The whining about this game is becoming annoying. Why are people so entitled ? "But it's not what they promised" don't buy it then "But the game is bugged" don't buy it then "But the game is expensive and it should not be" don't buy it then There are tons of game stores, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM provide a refund policy. Why would you whine about your game ? Just. Get. A. Refund. "But they lied about the game" It'…

The PlayStation store will only issue a refund if you haven't started downloading the game or the game is "faulty", which they don't define and may be hard to prove. The Xbox store refund policy is less clear but it is certainly not an guaranteed refund. PlayStation Store: "you have 14 days from purchase to request a refund. If you have started to download or stream the purchased content you will not be eligible for…

So as far as PS and XBox stores go, people should complain about them that they don't allow refunds normally (like Steam allows - only recently).

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Post by AsyncAwait »

castlecrasher2 wrote: post #247
aranelsurion wrote: post #115

I think most of the negative sentiment against Cyberpunk 2077 comes from three sources: 1) Some players expected this to be cyberpunk-themed RDR2/GTA5. It turns out it's nothing like that, it's more like a new Deus Ex game. 2) It just doesn't run on consoles. It's a very inferior experience, unless you're the type who can be happy with 2020 movies in .3gp format in your old Nokia phone. Having watched a video ( https…

>it's an extremely fun, really well-made game There are seemingly infinite number of issues the game is having, I can't imagine calling it well-made. Here's a single compilation from the game's subreddit, where there are hundreds more examples: https://old.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kewhky/i_com...

I am nearly at the end on Stadia and other than the occasional floating NPC I haven't experienced bugs. So experiences seem to vary quite a bit, they're far from universal.

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Post by AsyncAwait »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #474
enraged_camel wrote: post #345

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The OP’s point is that it is highly anecdotal. I have dozens of hours and I only ran into a single bug that forced me to reload. Everything else I have seen have been cosmetic issues.

This anecdote seems to extend to all players on the most standardized, commonly owned systems (current generation consoles).

So 7 year old PCs?

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Post by zelon88 »

aranelsurion wrote: post #115

I think most of the negative sentiment against Cyberpunk 2077 comes from three sources: 1) Some players expected this to be cyberpunk-themed RDR2/GTA5. It turns out it's nothing like that, it's more like a new Deus Ex game. 2) It just doesn't run on consoles. It's a very inferior experience, unless you're the type who can be happy with 2020 movies in .3gp format in your old Nokia phone. Having watched a video ( https…

I haven't tried this particular game yet (CyberPunk 2077).

But as someone who games on exclusively on Linux, I'm surprised to learn about the outrage. Personally, I'm used to having to debug, alter, or otherwise hack games in order to play them. I'm also more tolerant of bugs and glitches. I've found that I gravitate more towards Early-Access titles on Steam than big "AAA" titles.

I realize most console gamers aren't necessarily technical people, but when did gaming become so entitled? Is the mainstream PC gaming market this spoiled also? I've heard mostly good things about CyberPunk from fellow PC gamers.

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