Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by gfxgirl » Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 2:51 AM UTC

floatingatoll wrote: post #130

gfxgirl wrote: post #48

I think removing the IDFA is great but .... most people probably login via the same IDs, either the same email address or facebook login, google login, github login, etc... Once you've done that your app activity will be exchanged behind the scenes associating your data with your email or account so I'm not sure how many people this is going to really help. IIRC Apple was trying to fix this hole too by having login v…

Apple doesn’t need to fix this for users who aren’t using Apple devices. However: The privacy feature of “Sign In With Apple” uses an email address for each service that you can use to access your accounts from other non-Apple devices, as long as the site implements a Reset Password process that accepts account email addresses (which virtually all do). The private email addresses are under Settings > iCloud > Apps Us…

You're assuming people use exclusively Apple devices. I'm assuming people have a mix like a Window machine at work or a Chromebook from school etc....

I can use Apple devices and still have the need to use non-apple devices so Apple's solution isn't helpful.

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 7:47 PM UTC

inetknght wrote: post #369

damnyou wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not justifying anything, I'm merely stating what I think is an unequivocally positive side effect of advertising-based models: they have automatic price discrimination built in. Subscription models do not have it built in—developers have to do extra work to introduce price discrimination. I think this is a demerit of subscription models, though not one that outweighs the demerits of advertising models.

> an unequivocally positive side effect of advertising-based models Democracies are bought on advertising. Hiding the price of the user's attention is not a positive side effect to the user. Hiding who buys the user's attention is not a positive side effect to the user. Hiding how many other people's attentions are also being sold is not a positive side effect to the user. All of these are detriments to the user.

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Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by floatingatoll » Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 8:13 AM UTC

gfxgirl wrote: post #401

floatingatoll wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn’t need to fix this for users who aren’t using Apple devices. However: The privacy feature of “Sign In With Apple” uses an email address for each service that you can use to access your accounts from other non-Apple devices, as long as the site implements a Reset Password process that accepts account email addresses (which virtually all do). The private email addresses are under Settings > iCloud > Apps Us…

You're assuming people use exclusively Apple devices. I'm assuming people have a mix like a Window machine at work or a Chromebook from school etc.... I can use Apple devices and still have the need to use non-apple devices so Apple's solution isn't helpful.

If you have enough Apple devices to set up and configure Sign In With Apple, and you're interested in using the account with non-Apple devices, then using the Reset Password process to have a password assigned to your account generally has not — in my experience — impacted Sign In With Apple, which simply continues to work regardless. I have been able to use this process to sign in across Apple and Windows and etc without difficulty.

What's uncertain here is whether each third-party will correctly handle this workflow. I can't decide if it's worked every time because I'm lucky or because there's a regulation somewhere in the Sign In With Apple terms that requires it. I respect that this uncertainty may not be acceptable to everyone.