Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by hcurtiss » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:21 PM UTC

niea_11 wrote: post #19

BlueTemplar wrote: post #4

As a reminder, most popular Android apps send data to Facebook : https://9to5google.com/2018/12/31/android-apps-facebook/

You can see a list of apps that share you activity with facebook here (even if you didn't install any facebook app on your phone or didn't use facebook login feature) : https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity/activity_list (click "Manage Your Off-Facebook Activity" on the right if you're on desktop)

Wow. I had no idea this existed. In my case, over 600 apps and services that I had no idea were connecting to Facebook. Is there no way to turn this off?

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by sbuk » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:21 PM UTC

confiq wrote: post #114

simonh wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only share data with partners at the direction of users and only to provide specific services, and use for marketing is banned. That privacy policy?

and Chinese iCloud with Chinese government...

Is that the same as Chinese Office 365 and OneDrive with Chinese government?

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by qdhqdhqdg » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:22 PM UTC

LC_ALL wrote: post #50

Say what you want about Apple but they are by far the most privacy focused big company. Their income is from selling physical devices. Typical megacorps in 2020 are leveraging economies of scale to sell their users' attention. Apple has a unique value add in that when their users benefit they benefit. Sent from my Thinkpad.

Not hard to be the most privacy focused big company when the competition Google , Facebook or Amazon...

I don't understand why we should always have good guys and bad guys and we can't accept that none of those company respect us.

Nothing will change if we relay Apple's propaganda about privacy. People will think that the solution is already there and it's Apple. And it's not. Apple has catastrophic Privacy, just a bit less catastrophic than Google but that's it.

They don't even encrypt your cloud, how's that remotely close to "privacy focused company"

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by javajosh » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:23 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #113

tenacious_tuna wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they mean app-side: determining if a user is a bot or not gets harder when you can't tie that user to the datamine'd indicators of their humanity.

Hackernews seems to manage.

We don't move money around or even have private messaging. If the stakes are high enough, users need the service provider to be skeptical of all client processes, because the risk of being impersonated is born, right or wrong, by the user.

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by simonh » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

confiq wrote: post #114

simonh wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only share data with partners at the direction of users and only to provide specific services, and use for marketing is banned. That privacy policy?

and Chinese iCloud with Chinese government...

That's true, they do provide data to governments in compliance with local laws. Criminalising your employees isn't a good look.

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by ratherbefuddled » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #111

ratherbefuddled wrote: post #102

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The answer to card fraud is called Strong Customer Authentication and it's a requirement under PSD2. It requires payment service providers to obtain a second factor for authentication. This might be an online banking login and approval, device data capture or an SMS one time code. How is up to the card provider.

I'm not referring to verification for card fraud, I'm saying the card networks could sell it to anyone that wants to verify a human is on the other end. Like an alternative to Captcha.

Strong Customer Authentication should be sufficient to prove that the payment request is authorised by the card holder, given this I'm not sure why a business would pay to be sure there's a human there?

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by littlestymaar » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

objclxt wrote: post #87

littlestymaar wrote: post #82

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> shameful that a device that is marketed as the gold standard in privacy It's being marketed this way, that's it. It doesn't mean Apple care about privacy, and they prove every once in a while that they don't respect anyone's privacy at all. They spy on their users as much as anyone else (and overall, they have access to much more information than everybody else except Google). All they want to do is prevent third-p…

> They spy on their users as much as anyone else (and overall, they have access to much more information than everybody else except Google). This is easily disproven by making a GDPR access request to see what various companies have retained on you, or if you’re extra paranoid inspecting what the device is sending back over the network.

Well, less than a month ago all Mac apps worldwide refused to open because the listening service at Apple failed to respond, so you don't even have to look at the network to know that Apple is spying…

Apple has access to all apps you open, your position, the content of your iCloud, etc. etc.

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by swiley » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #124

swiley wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hackernews seems to manage.

We don't move money around or even have private messaging. If the stakes are high enough, users need the service provider to be skeptical of all client processes, because the risk of being impersonated is born, right or wrong, by the user.

If you move money around then the legal system already exists to deal with fraud.

As someone who doesn't use an iphone it's really frustrating that online services are starting to expect one for this reason when it hasn't been necessary in the past.

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by philplckthun » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

> Sign this thank you to let Apple know consumers are eagerly anticipating anti-tracking protection on iPhone.

I'll only sign a thank you like this when Apple allows other browsers engines on iOS, which is actual consumer-friendly behaviour towards the Web.

Re: Apple’s Anti-Tracking Plans for iPhone

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Post by floatingatoll » Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

gfxgirl wrote: post #48

I think removing the IDFA is great but .... most people probably login via the same IDs, either the same email address or facebook login, google login, github login, etc... Once you've done that your app activity will be exchanged behind the scenes associating your data with your email or account so I'm not sure how many people this is going to really help. IIRC Apple was trying to fix this hole too by having login v…

Apple doesn’t need to fix this for users who aren’t using Apple devices. However:

The privacy feature of “Sign In With Apple” uses an email address for each service that you can use to access your accounts from other non-Apple devices, as long as the site implements a Reset Password process that accepts account email addresses (which virtually all do). The private email addresses are under Settings > iCloud > Apps Using Apple ID for apps where you hide your email.