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California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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Didn’t read the article did you?

Didn't read the hn guidelines did you?

I'm normally onboard with that guideline, but c'mon, when you're demanding a citation for a fact that's in the second paragraph of TFA, you've got a little "didn't read the article, did you?" coming your way.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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The Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany. The Oxford vaccine was developed in the UK. Of the approved vaccines, only the Moderna vaccine was developed in the US (and it's actually being manufactured in Switzerland). The J&J vaccine is being developed in Belgium. That's not to say that the US hasn't been playing important roles, both now and in the research that enabled this. But "without American ingenuity" we'd b…

Did you get vaccinated?

I will, as soon as I can. As a healthy middle aged person I'm not high up on the list.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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Didn't read the hn guidelines did you?

I'm normally onboard with that guideline, but c'mon, when you're demanding a citation for a fact that's in the second paragraph of TFA, you've got a little "didn't read the article, did you?" coming your way.

>If true, why hasn’t the state delivered

Wouldn't really call that a fact. Not a good argument for didnt-u-read comments anyhow. Your own

>in the second paragraph of TFA

is much better.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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Where can it be bought from a reputable/reliable retailer? I’d love a link.

Not the person you asked, but these are the ones I've been buying from Amazon for the past two months: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CGZFSZ9 I've cut one open out of every box I've ordered, and so far they've all been legitimate, 5-layer masks. Actual 3M masks are still impossible to find, but I've been happy enough with these.

Not to discount that product at all, I’ve got no experience judging those things.

But Amazon is not a reputable retailer. there’s no way for the end user of this to validate its effectiveness so that’s why I’d prefer at least a retailer who’s merchant had to sign off and order a product vs a completely unknown company selling through Amazon.

I guess this is where we are when all our institutions fail us collectively.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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Not the person you asked, but these are the ones I've been buying from Amazon for the past two months: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CGZFSZ9 I've cut one open out of every box I've ordered, and so far they've all been legitimate, 5-layer masks. Actual 3M masks are still impossible to find, but I've been happy enough with these.

Not to discount that product at all, I’ve got no experience judging those things. But Amazon is not a reputable retailer. there’s no way for the end user of this to validate its effectiveness so that’s why I’d prefer at least a retailer who’s merchant had to sign off and order a product vs a completely unknown company selling through Amazon. I guess this is where we are when all our institutions fail us collectively.

I don't blame you one bit. I'm not happy about feeling I genuinely need to destructively test one of the filters in every box, believe me. I am just reporting that so far, this particular listing has proven to be the real deal. It could also change tomorrow, and Amazon wouldn't update the listing.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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I can confirm the "used PPE" thing from personal experience. My partner (a nurse at a VA hospital) was given a Tupperware container with holes poked in the lid as "overnight storage" for her N95 mask and was asked to reuse it for up to a month at a time. As far as I know this is still ongoing. I know the cynical take is "you need to stop letting yourself be surprised / disappointed by this kind of thing" but we shoul…

Especially since I (the general public) can get an N95 online. If companies aren't protecting their workers they're not trying hard enough.

There's a lot of counterfeit product in the supply chain at the moment so that "N95" may well not meet many of the required standards.

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Was the Defense Production Act successful at ramping up production of PPE? It's been 8 months since I've seen a proper N95 mask on store shelves. Hearing that someone close was going through the same thing as your partner, bringing home used masks and having to hit the black market/eBay for respirators with cartridges so they wouldn't become lightheaded when transporting patients all day was shocking. I think what's…

It wasn't used for PPE, just ventilators.

> It wasn't used for PPE, just ventilators.

And meat packing.

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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I can confirm the "used PPE" thing from personal experience. My partner (a nurse at a VA hospital) was given a Tupperware container with holes poked in the lid as "overnight storage" for her N95 mask and was asked to reuse it for up to a month at a time. As far as I know this is still ongoing. I know the cynical take is "you need to stop letting yourself be surprised / disappointed by this kind of thing" but we shoul…

> My coworkers from mainland China were concerned about our well-being and started shipping us KN95 masks My partner’s friend with family in China did the same thing for us. His dad was getting chemo and they had their family send a couple boxes of KN95s over to help protect him. Depressing, given how much America looks like a failed state relative to the two countries pandemic response, but good that interpersonal r…

You can just order KN95s quite easily in the United States and have been able to for a long time, and actually I have for personal use (especially during the CA fires), and they have almost identical nominal requirements to N95, but:

https://www.ecri.org/press/up-to-70-of-chinese-kn95-masks-te...

Re: California nurses union plans holiday strike over PPE

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Unpopular opinion: Unions should not be allowed to strike during an emergency.

Perhaps if hospitals actually gave the slightest damn about their employees' safety, said employees wouldn't feel the need to strike during an emergency?
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