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Re: Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

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Post by useragent86 »

randmeerkat wrote: post #174
echelon wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capitalism is fuels our wealth machine. The military helps project power and protect our interests. If younger generations grow up hating these structures, they might vote against them.

Stagnant wages, unattainable housing, crushing student loans, the collapse of the American dream, young people don’t hate capitalism because of TikTok propaganda, they hate it because it has completely failed them.

Those characterizations of yours make it sound really bad.

Yet, the quality of life in America, as well as around the world, has improved drastically. How many people have luxuries like cell phones, computers, TVs, cars, refrigerators, indoor plumbing and heating, as well as access to resources like ambulances and hospitals--the list goes on. How humans of centuries past would long to have lived at this time, if they could see how we live today.

And it's not just about material things. For example, in the past hundred years, although the world population increased from 2 billion to 7 billion, the number of people who die to natural disasters each year has greatly decreased.

This video shows how widespread these misconceptions about world situations are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1dvfH3s1Ak In this study, about 80% of people were wrong about more situations than if they had chosen an answer randomly.

This is not to say that there are no problems in the world, or in America. There will always be problems. But your characterizations are misleading, and your claim that capitalism has "completely failed" young people is extreme, and it fails to credit capitalism for the prosperity that it has enabled for most of the world's population compared to most of human history.

Re: Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

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Post by sofixa »

unclekev wrote: post #112
dvduval wrote: post #50

I have to wonder how many corporations have been hacked but we will never know, because they are worried about the value of their stock. This could actually be a much greater threat to hobbling our infrastructure or blackmailing wealthy people to do their bidding.

I worked for a company that had all their Customer data stolen and then sold on a darknet market place. They completely swept it under the rug, told the infosec guys that if they talked about the incident with anyone they would have their employment terminated and that it was to never be discussed because they were worried about their share price. We also have laws here in Australia that says if this happens to a bus…

That's why GDPR includes personal liability for DPOs(Data Protection Officers) and chief executives, and requires the company have a DPO with no conflict of interest ( e.g. working under the CEO with bonuses based on stock price).

Re: Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

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bigphishy wrote: post #5

I am pointing the finger at Microsoft for allowing bad security practice in windows kernel, architecture and other aspects of the Windows operating system. I am have to hand it to Microsoft for the good job security. However without knowing the extent of the incident, and going off of this part: "At this point, the investigation has found that the malware has been isolated to business networks only..." It is more tha…

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Re: Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

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Post by randmeerkat »

useragent86 wrote: post #181
randmeerkat wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stagnant wages, unattainable housing, crushing student loans, the collapse of the American dream, young people don’t hate capitalism because of TikTok propaganda, they hate it because it has completely failed them.

Those characterizations of yours make it sound really bad. Yet, the quality of life in America, as well as around the world, has improved drastically. How many people have luxuries like cell phones, computers, TVs, cars, refrigerators, indoor plumbing and heating, as well as access to resources like ambulances and hospitals--the list goes on. How humans of centuries past would long to have lived at this time, if they…

There’s a reason Bernie Sanders was so popular with young voters. HN is an echo chamber for capitalism, but the reality for most people is capitalism is failing them, society is failing them, and if we want to keep what we have today, we urgently need to address these failings.

Re: Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

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Post by echelon »

randmeerkat wrote: post #184
useragent86 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those characterizations of yours make it sound really bad. Yet, the quality of life in America, as well as around the world, has improved drastically. How many people have luxuries like cell phones, computers, TVs, cars, refrigerators, indoor plumbing and heating, as well as access to resources like ambulances and hospitals--the list goes on. How humans of centuries past would long to have lived at this time, if they…

There’s a reason Bernie Sanders was so popular with young voters. HN is an echo chamber for capitalism, but the reality for most people is capitalism is failing them, society is failing them, and if we want to keep what we have today, we urgently need to address these failings.

I agree with you - the world isn't set up to benefit young Americans in this generation as easily as in the 60's and 70's. I'm not sure we'd agree on the causes though.

People are still told to go to expensive college. A cheap community college degree in STEM is worth much more than an expensive liberal arts education. A self-taught programmer has more marketable skills than a liberal arts degree holder. The freely available loans made the institutions money hungry, and they grew to absorb all of the new income.

We really need to fix education.

The post-war / post-energy boom is over, and the easy gains that yielded have faded. Today's economy is harder. The knowledge economy is not as accessible and requires more training. The US can't compete with the cost of manufactured goods as our standard of living and minimum wage are too high. By importing, we're moving that negative externality of hard or menial labor to economies that can handle it - bringing them up to our level, but destroying those opportunities domestically.

Housing is still affordable outside of major cities. I'm not sure what to do about the price of housing in major urban areas though. It's supply and demand, and wages for the average worker haven't increased.

Re: Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

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Post by echelon »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #141
echelon wrote: post #6

It feels like we're in the calm before the storm and nobody is watching the approaching squall. China growing in power and influence, flexing itself on the global stage. The US waning internationally, citizens divided and full of hate. We're factory-less, fab-less, and have fewer educated. Fewer consumers. Lots of debt. We have SpaceX, but China's pace of exploration and international cooperation is increasing faster…

>I hope we're hacking back just as hard. That's what the NSA should be doing rather than domestic spying You really care about the ideals of "liberty" and "democracy" I see.

If an undemocratic adversary is trying to gain secrets to put them at an advantage against our military, citizens, or economy, it's only fair that we do the same.

They're not going to stop trying. We shouldn't just let it happen.

Re: Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

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Post by boomboomsubban »

hodgesrm wrote: post #157
boomboomsubban wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hope we're hacking back just as hard. That's what the NSA should be doing rather than domestic spying You really care about the ideals of "liberty" and "democracy" I see.

Well, not reacting just encourages more attacks.

If your goal is fewer attacks,launching your own is a terrible method of achieving your goal. Even if you stop all the "enemy" attacks that doesn't mean the number has decreased.

Re: Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

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Post by boomboomsubban »

echelon wrote: post #187
boomboomsubban wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hope we're hacking back just as hard. That's what the NSA should be doing rather than domestic spying You really care about the ideals of "liberty" and "democracy" I see.

If an undemocratic adversary is trying to gain secrets to put them at an advantage against our military, citizens, or economy, it's only fair that we do the same. They're not going to stop trying. We shouldn't just let it happen.

If it is unacceptable for them to do it to us, it is unacceptable for us to do it to them. Stop caring only for yourself under the false guise of "democracy and liberty."

Re: Nuclear weapons agency breached amid massive cyber onslaught

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Post by sterlind »

sofixa wrote: post #180
bredren wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What concerns me is lack of clear precedent for some equitable retaliation. And if some equitable retaliation is designed would there be public support for it if it were to include conventional warfare in some proxy fight. Much of the country has been told that China is the enemy and investigations into Russian interference in our country is a hoax. If this is more work from the fancy bear folks this is problematic.…

Retaliation for a cyber attack, with cyber attacks, sanctions, or military operations could set a dangerous precedent. Don't forget that the US and allies have been behind many cyber attacks, including against Russia and China ( and probably were involved with Stuxnet against Iran). Do you want Russia, China, Iran, etc. to retaliate against US cyber attacks? Because that's how you get an escalation. https://en.m.wiki…

Tit-for-tat at least has precedent. The two major problems are attribution and how you actually launch a retaliatory cyber attack. DDoSing the enemy for crippling your power grid (a la Ukraine) is weak at best.

One way is to have your backdoor planted, but only use it in retaliation. I assume that's why EnergyBear was found on the US power grid - not because Russia wanted to preemptively strike our grid, but so that they'd have the retaliation option ready to go, just in case.

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