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Ultra-processed foods and the corporate capture of nutrition

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Post by reportingsjr »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #166
01100011 wrote: post #139

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45 here. Here's what I've noticed since the 80s: - More wealth and more choices now. - More eating out now. Meals are bigger, sweeter, richer, etc. - Less activity now. When I was a kid, video games were just getting started and most folks didn't own computers. TV & media was less engaging. Food addiction seems more... refined these days. There is a lot less fat shaming too, although I'm not suggesting we bring it ba…

I don't think its the food, I feel its several cultural shifts: - The tamping down of phy ed classes and general removal of exercise from elementary schools with more of an emphasis on learning. If you are not ok shape in middle school, it leads to learning issues. One problem begets the other - Shifts in parenting. When I grew up in the 1980's, our family ALWAYS ate dinner at home, together as a family. My mom got h…

You missed the most significant issue outside of portion size changes, etc.

Car dependency. The shift over the last 60-70 years to push everyone to drive more and more and walk, bike, etc less has had an absolutely massive impact on obesity and being unfit.

Compare the obesity rates in any area in the US versus types of transport and you'll see a huge correlation when other factors are fixed. e.g. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28322880/

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Post by maccard »

inglor_cz wrote: post #120
jasode wrote: post #50

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>, but in my experience most people prefer these foods because they think it's more convenient. [...] Everyone should learn how to cook some boring, staple meals using basic ingredients from the store. It's amazing how many people don't know how easy and cheap it can be to prepare simple crock pot or stir-fry meals that are healthy and delicious. I'm a strict health food eater but I have to be realistic and concede t…

I wonder what is the effect of the widespread loneliness on the willingness and ability to cook. If you are two or a family, cooking for the others to enjoy is a pleasure. If someone lives alone, I can see why they rather eat something quick-and-dirty.

I love to cook, and cook for both me and my partner probably 5 nights of 7, but the moment she leaves for a night or a weekend it's takeout or ramen. Anecdotally, most of my couple friends have a similar dynamic.

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Post by 3131s »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #75
aitchnyu wrote: post #18

They had me. I have a strong idea in my brain that a meal of chocolate bars and a healthy meal will result in same weight loss if calories are equal. Some professor lost weight eating chocolate bars! I also assumed the public knows sodas contain a nauseating amount of sugar. How will this "research" benefit Coca Cola as a soda company?

If calories in the bars are equal, and if your body can absorb the same number of calories from the food, and if your metabolism stays the same on the different kinds of foods, and if you have the self-discipline to eat only the same number of calories when the sugar rush from the chocolate bar wears off and you want another.

Even with all that, your body composition would still change over time from lack of protein.

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #117
ev1 wrote: post #87

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Disappointingly, some people quite literally cannot cook - I don't have a stove. This is a lot more common[0] than one might think, and arguably hits the worst demographic for it - university students and fresh out of university students, where the only affordable place is $2-3k for barely a hundred square feet with a microwave and minifridge. There is a fair amount of places near tech companies where it's quite comm…

Get an airfryer and an instant pot. Neither one takes up much space on a countertop, and they are easy to clean and store. I hardly use my stove anymore unless I'm baking something.

Instant pots are a game changer. It does limit most menus to one pot meals but still a pathway to good nutrition.

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

mssundaram wrote: post #190
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #117

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Get an airfryer and an instant pot. Neither one takes up much space on a countertop, and they are easy to clean and store. I hardly use my stove anymore unless I'm baking something.

In fact I have my stove unplugged and 3 instant pots sitting on top of it (and an air fryer near by)

Ditto! I barely use my stove these days! For Indian food..the transition was super easy from pressure cooker to instant pot.

Our neighbor who moved to the East coast sent me a bag of wild rice from her state. I made a wild rice and mushroom soup in less than half an hour. The same would have been a production earlier as wild rice takes longer to cook than regular rice. I was also able to make it a larger batch and freeze it for later.

I am used to flash freezing having worked in restaurants and I am not a fan of freezing left overs in a home freezer and probably won’t be doing this again if this fails the texture test.

The smaller instant pot was perfect to make a nice roux for thickening and it doesn’t burn. And clean up is a breeze.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

dragontamer wrote: post #69
chubot wrote: post #60

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pork-belly contains a ton of fat and is just innately unhealthy Citation needed. Not all fats are created equal. For example Inuits consume 50% of their calories from fat [1]. They do not have the "western diet disease" (obesity, heart disease, etc.) It really IS the processed fats that are bad for you. You can see this all over the world when Aboriginal peoples are introduced to industrial cooking / ultra-processed…

> Citation needed. Not all fats are created equal. Filipino diet, consisting of fresh chicken, fresh pork, fresh fish, and fresh rice will lead to heart attacks at relatively young ages. Nothing against my family or heritage. But these things are known. Balancing it out with some "processed" canned veggies for +Fiber intake can grossly help and improve overall health. And cutting out the fatty Lechon (aka: "Island Po…

Hahaha, the Filipino diet involves FAR more than those fresh foods you list. The poverty experienced in that nation is extreme and very few eat properly. I'd wager that they may have worse health metrics than americans in nearly every category (including obesity)

Worse, everyone (even americans) tend to agree that "ordinary" Filipino food is less healthy (and less tasty) than basically anyone elses. Compare your experience at jolibees to at McDonald's. I claim that almost everyone (even people who hate both) will prefer the food at McDonalds, and that the average item from McDonalds is healthier than from Joliebees

Filipinos trying to bring up their good food and "somehow were still having bad health outcomes" is pinoy pride going wrong. And who can forget about THIS delicacy? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagpag

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Post by the-pigeon »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #174
an_opabinia wrote: post #102

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Ultraprocessed is a counter marketing term from the meat and dairy lobby. It is authored in opposition to things like Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat. Nobody uses this term organically, look in Google Trends yourself. It is an obvious and conspicuous marker of a campaign, exactly equivalent to something like “drinkability,” an Anheuser Busch marketing term. This is a market that traditionally derives most of its pr…

>> Ultraprocessed is a counter marketing term from the meat and dairy lobby. This sentence risks framing industrially manufactured food products as equally nutritious to meat and dairy (and fruit and vegetables, beans and pulses, eggs and fish, etc. etc.).

The point though is that this article decrying the influence on science by industry is itself influenced by industry and shows this by not using neutral terminology.

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

senkora wrote: post #112
ev1 wrote: post #87

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Disappointingly, some people quite literally cannot cook - I don't have a stove. This is a lot more common[0] than one might think, and arguably hits the worst demographic for it - university students and fresh out of university students, where the only affordable place is $2-3k for barely a hundred square feet with a microwave and minifridge. There is a fair amount of places near tech companies where it's quite comm…

Dorms usually ban them, but for everyone else you can buy single induction burners relatively cheaply for cooking. Instant pots and similar products are another compact alternative. When I was a student, I did a fair amount of cooking in shared kitchens in dorms, mainly because I enjoyed it and it helped me relieve stress. My goto strategy was to pick an unpopular time (middle of the week during the day, ideally) and…

Good strategy. Most people don’t know this but in San Francisco ferry market plaza whose first floor is full of restaurants, there is no gas connection. The code doesn’t allow for fire extinguishing infrastructure and the overhead foam sprayers etc. pretty much all of them have electric and semi prepped food made off site made in a commissary kitchen or at another restaurant branch.

Restaurant code and permits are notoriously difficult and in San Francisco expensive ..a nightmare actually. If restaurants can do without a stove..cooking in a dorm is easy peasy.

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Post by kindatrue »

01100011 wrote: post #139
inglor_cz wrote: post #104

Just by comparing photos and videos from the 1980s to the situation in the streets now, it is painfully obvious that we (and by "we" I mean at least half of humanity) have a serious obesity and metabolic syndrome problem. It is breathtaking how civilized nations silently accept such an enormous slide in quality of life, when other, much smaller problems lead to civic unrest, political discussions and overhaul of old…

45 here. Here's what I've noticed since the 80s: - More wealth and more choices now. - More eating out now. Meals are bigger, sweeter, richer, etc. - Less activity now. When I was a kid, video games were just getting started and most folks didn't own computers. TV & media was less engaging. Food addiction seems more... refined these days. There is a lot less fat shaming too, although I'm not suggesting we bring it ba…

>video games were just getting started

It's also worth noting that the nature of video games have changed. Back then you'd pay $ for a cartridge and CD and that was it. There was little in the way of analytics.

Now it's all about DLC and ancillary monetization - with high power analytics. The model has shifted towards addiction.

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