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Why (UK) train departure information is not open data.

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Re: Why (UK) train departure information is not open data.

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I'm sitting on a lot of data that could do a lot of damage to ATOC. Time to stop sitting on it?

What kind of data?

The entire spec for the magstripe on their tickets, and a preliminary spec for the new 2D self-print and phone tickets that are being introduced.

Edit: I have yet to obtain a valid 2D ticket myself, but the promotional image released is at least similar to what the spec describes, and the pre-amble is a match.

Re: Why (UK) train departure information is not open data.

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of data?

The entire spec for the magstripe on their tickets, and a preliminary spec for the new 2D self-print and phone tickets that are being introduced. Edit: I have yet to obtain a valid 2D ticket myself, but the promotional image released is at least similar to what the spec describes, and the pre-amble is a match.

Perhaps this would be a good publicity stunt to draw attention to the issue.

"Release our data, or we'll release yours"

Re: Why (UK) train departure information is not open data.

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire spec for the magstripe on their tickets, and a preliminary spec for the new 2D self-print and phone tickets that are being introduced. Edit: I have yet to obtain a valid 2D ticket myself, but the promotional image released is at least similar to what the spec describes, and the pre-amble is a match.

Perhaps this would be a good publicity stunt to draw attention to the issue. "Release our data, or we'll release yours"

I like this idea. But I also like not being in jail.

Re: Why (UK) train departure information is not open data.

#54

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Like for like, people in the public sector in the UK often get paid quite a bit more than people in the private sector: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13329634

I'd be quite interested to see the comparisons they make and the raw data they use. When I worked in the public sector the minimum wage came in and boosted a lot of the low grades pay levels. At the time this was said to be an embarrassment for the government as the minimum wage did little to similarly skilled workers outside of the public sector. Indeed where I worked practically any of the staff could work for subs…

More cash perhaps - but the private sector can't offer a job for life nor a gold-plated pension. Funny how people forget about those.

Re: Why (UK) train departure information is not open data.

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this would be a good publicity stunt to draw attention to the issue. "Release our data, or we'll release yours"

I like this idea. But I also like not being in jail.

Please don't do anything illegal. It's not good for you (obviously!), and it eliminate any legitimate moral ground in the debate. We're trying to do what's right + good here, not to be underhand + malicious.

Re: Why (UK) train departure information is not open data.

#56

This is unbelievable. Do you think, if I decided to catch coaches/buses everywhere, I could get back some of the money they get from me? The fact that a publicly-funded organisation refuse to allow access to data because they have been criticised is absolutely scandalous. They get our money for free then dare to get shirty about the people who are funding them ?!! The railway service in the UK is appallingly bad, the…

It's hardly unusual for entities that receive government money to also charge for products/services produced using that money. Three examples I can think of just off the top of my head include 1) the health service in places like France where there are subsidised usage fees, 2) farmers in the EU who get large subsidies from the CAP or the equivalent in the USA, 3) application fees in patent offices. It is definitely…

I'm not contesting that entities which receive government money shouldn't charge also if the economics implies it, rather focusing on the fact that they take a vast amount of taxpayer money which then helps fund greedy companies who deliver giant bags of fail and on top of it all charge for information which, let's face it, is something of a paltry cost to provide, really, certainly as a proportion of the funding they receive.

We might not all use the services, but we are all certainly entitled to investigate and examine how our money is being spent - standing in the way of providing data for what appear to be money-grabbing reasons certainly does not help redistribute the cost to rail users I don't think, and actively gets in the way of highlighting less effective rail operators.

Re: Why (UK) train departure information is not open data.

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this idea. But I also like not being in jail.

Please don't do anything illegal. It's not good for you (obviously!), and it eliminate any legitimate moral ground in the debate. We're trying to do what's right + good here, not to be underhand + malicious.

I'm pretty sure I obtained these documents legally, their webserver should have asked me for a password for the files but for some reason it did not (has since been fixed). They're under copyright though so I can't disseminate them.

Re: Why (UK) train departure information is not open data.

#58

If you are interested in transit-related information access, consider signing up for the very low-traffic but occasionally interesting Transit Developers group. http://groups.google.com/group/transit-developers

Awesome, thanks!

I live in Taipei where the transport company holds back similar data for bus and subway. It's a bureaucratic nightmare and also public/private confusion just like in this post.

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