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Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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> Users can easily choose to keep providing Facebook (and anyone else) with all the information they want. Or they can choose not to. This part hits the nail on the head. Facebook is intentionally being misleading in this campaign. I’ve had the IDFA turned off on my phone for years. Now apps have to ask for it individually. If apps have to prompt to access it, and this benefits small businesses so much, wouldn’t peop…

I am extremely torn about this thing, especially as I work in the privacy space. But it's hard to ignore the argument put forward by Ben Thompson that better tracking for facebook, actually tends to help small businesses. If you can't hyper target, you get ads for tooth paste, cars and deodorant (TV ads). If you can then you get ads for boutique florists in your area or gadgets you might actually like. I don't know w…

I don't intuitively understand how this change blocks targeted advertising outright. Sure, Facebook will have less information about me from other apps that I use, but certainly it has numerous other ways of targeting ads to me.

Facebook knows my demographic because I provided it to them when I signed up and the types of content I interact with in their apps, and they have both coarse and granular location (IP address and the location permission) from their first party apps. Most relevant forms of targeting seem to still work. Ads from the local florist can still be targeted.

It's credible to me that other, Facebook specific, magic such as "lookalike audience" and other behavior cohorting tools may be impacted by this change, but I don't view this narrow issue of IDFA consent to be an absolute judgment on ad targeting.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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What is the price differential between contextual ads (you searched for "running shoe" have a nike advert) and personalised ads (you are Paul, we know you have a heart condition and low income and are going through a divorce - have an ad for this dating site while you search for running shoes) Duck Duck Go clearly think there is profit in contextual ads - and I would love to find out if there is any hard evidence out…

Safari visitors are 30% cheaper to advertise to than Chrome visitors. Make what you will.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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This just makes me want to stay on IOS even more.

I love to hate on Apple, especially the damage they've done to the internet (to chat in particular) but this was definitely the right thing for them to do.

What damage has Apple done to chat?

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Privacy arguments, lying etc aside, how is taking out news paper ads to attack Apple a good idea? Apple may have problems, but they are infinitely better than Facebook in every metric imaginable. They make useful products, wildly profitable/bigger than Facebook can only dream of.

Even if Facebook had facts on their side, this is a bad idea. Intentionally misleading ads against one of the world's richest, most capable, most arrogant company with an insanely good marketing machine and legal team - what exactly is Facebook attempting to achieve here? I don't understand this at all. They are picking a fight that doesn't make sense

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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The hypocrisy is unbearable. Facebook is everything thats wrong with internet. A company that basically profits from people living out their worst instincts (xenophobia, misogyny, chauvinism, plain hate) and from fueling insecurities of vulnerable people (paranoia, body image issues, etc.). I recently switched to the IPhone after a decade of Android, mainly due to the much better privacy protection. I hope they go mu…

I'm with Apple here, but talking about Facebook, did you mean: > A company that basically profits from people being people ?

They aren't neutral though, they clearly amplify it.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Remember that this is the company whose app Instagram was secretly accessing your camera until that behavior was exposed in iOS 14:

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/07/25/instagram-unexpectedly-...

WhatsApp was also randomly accessing photos.

If you chose to only give an app access to some specific photos instead of all, it caused iOS 14 to ask you if you want to revise your selection every time the app accessed photos. This was happening at random times while using WhatsApp, even when you did not choose to send any photos to anybody at all.

Also from Reddit:

> Remember when Facebook was playing a silent audio file so it would continue running in the background and not get preempted by the OS?

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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> Users can easily choose to keep providing Facebook (and anyone else) with all the information they want. Or they can choose not to. This part hits the nail on the head. Facebook is intentionally being misleading in this campaign. I’ve had the IDFA turned off on my phone for years. Now apps have to ask for it individually. If apps have to prompt to access it, and this benefits small businesses so much, wouldn’t peop…

I am extremely torn about this thing, especially as I work in the privacy space. But it's hard to ignore the argument put forward by Ben Thompson that better tracking for facebook, actually tends to help small businesses. If you can't hyper target, you get ads for tooth paste, cars and deodorant (TV ads). If you can then you get ads for boutique florists in your area or gadgets you might actually like. I don't know w…

> If you can't hyper target, you get ads for tooth paste, cars and deodorant (TV ads).

Why should I be forced to give tracking information to allow people to 'hyper-target' me? I don't want to be hyper-targeted regardless of how small the business is.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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> Users can easily choose to keep providing Facebook (and anyone else) with all the information they want. Or they can choose not to. This part hits the nail on the head. Facebook is intentionally being misleading in this campaign. I’ve had the IDFA turned off on my phone for years. Now apps have to ask for it individually. If apps have to prompt to access it, and this benefits small businesses so much, wouldn’t peop…

I am extremely torn about this thing, especially as I work in the privacy space. But it's hard to ignore the argument put forward by Ben Thompson that better tracking for facebook, actually tends to help small businesses. If you can't hyper target, you get ads for tooth paste, cars and deodorant (TV ads). If you can then you get ads for boutique florists in your area or gadgets you might actually like. I don't know w…

They can just use information that their users choose to share voluntary with them, such as language, location history from posts, interests, group membership, places where they checked in.

There's no need to spy on users outside Facebook's app to get relevant data.

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Screw Facebook. Really F-them, and all the employee's that choose to waste their lives there. If you know any - tell them what you feel and don't be shy. They should know. Facebook has done nothing good for society, Nothing good for the internet, nothing good for the truth, facts. And Nothing good for San Francisco or the ecosystem. As soon as developers had something going - Facebook killed it. Go ask around. Not po…

I guess I agree if you are talking about consumer stuff, but dev products like React are pretty amazing. Since React is open source and can be used in isolation, it’s relatively harmless in its current state and doesn’t empower Facebook’s problematic side. I would never work there myself, but most every employer is going to have some level of moral dilemma. Our issues with Facebook are just closer to our hearts. Did I just defend Facebook?

Re: Facebook Takes Out Newspaper Ads to Attack Apple's Strengthening iOS Privacy

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Facebook 2008: put all your private stuff on Facebook because it’s a better world when we’re all “connected”.

Facebook 2020: oh, we monetize everyone’s private stuff because ... we’re a champion of small business.

Facebook 2025: look, a bird!

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