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The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by yodsanklai »

CydeWeys wrote: post #39
satysin wrote: post #26

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I live in [redacted], [redacted] and we often have high air pollution warnings and you really can feel it in the air. During lockdown, back in April and May, there was a noticeable difference in the air quality. It felt different. When we went out for a walk you could also tell the difference in noise pollution from there being so few cars on the roads. It was lovely. There is a church nearby that we can sometimes he…

Paris, at least, is doing an amazing job of replacing motor vehicles on the streets with friendlier alternatives, with great results in terms of reduced air and noise pollution. Try to elect a mayor of Lyons who's like Annie Hidalgo?

> Try to elect a mayor of Lyons who's like Annie Hidalgo?

New mayor of Lyon is a member of the Green party.

There were a lot of ecologist mayors (a "green wave" according to the media) at the last municipal elections in France. It's a dividing issue. More and more people are concerned about environmental issues. But at the same time, there is a universal hate for ecologists.

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Post by ynfnehf »

mads_ravn wrote: post #88
IronRanger wrote: post #87

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Sweden has had a lower per-capita COVID deathtoll than European states with heavy lockdowns. Lockdown South American nations have had about the same COVID toll as non-lockdown nations. Same when you look at individual US states. Doesn't seem to be much of a link between lockdowns and COVID - but a heavy link between lockdown and economic and social devastation. The virus will follow its own seasonal trends, impacted…

> Sweden has had a lower per-capita COVID deathtoll than European states with heavy lockdowns. But 5-12 times that of comparable neighboring countries like Norway, Finland and Denmark https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... And by own admission the strategy failed https://www.thelocal.se/20201215/what-does-the-first-report-...

The corona commission has not yet made any conclusions regarding whether lockdown or not lockdown was the right decision, that will (maybe) come later. So I don't really know how your article is relevant to that. The government and the independent agencies don't seem to believe that a harsh lockdown is the correct thing to do.

Why do you think the other Nordic countries are the most comparable? Languages are pretty similar, including some cultural similarities. But I would not be confident in saying that those factors are the most relevant to the spread of viruses. In 2018, there was something like 5x more deaths per capita from the flu in Denmark compared to Sweden (~2800 in Denmark and ~1000 in Sweden).

I just feel like you are making your job far too easy by just comparing 4 countries with each other, and claiming that they are all identical except for the different strategy. Especially since differences can have a very non-linear effects.

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Post by yodsanklai »

satysin wrote: post #44
CydeWeys wrote: post #39

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Paris, at least, is doing an amazing job of replacing motor vehicles on the streets with friendlier alternatives, with great results in terms of reduced air and noise pollution. Try to elect a mayor of Lyons who's like Annie Hidalgo?

The traffic in and around Lyon is fucking terrible . They really need to do something to reduce how many cars are on the road. The thing is overall the metro is decent as is the bus service and they are always full yet there are still so many cars on the road I wonder where all the people come from tbh. There are also lots of alternative options available with Lime e-scooters and Vélo'v bikes all over the place but s…

> I wonder where all the people come from tbh

Public transportation, bikes, scooters are all good for people living in Lyon. I suppose the cars are people living or working outside Lyon.

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Post by varispeed »

I think this can be taken with a grain of salt, as Coroner in the UK sometimes is quirky, like that one time they recorded a person died from THC overdose ( https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/gemma-moss-marijuana-... ) and that was then widely used to discredit any legalisation movement and make access to cannabis for patient impossible for a number of years. I can easily see this verdict is politically motivated and unlikely scientific.

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Post by [deleted] »

vkou wrote: post #82
cmehdy wrote: post #65

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I find the irony strong in the idea of buying electronics encased in plastic transported by ships and trucks to you in order to purify the air that is polluted majorly due to every single aspect of that chain. I understand to an extent of course, but can't help finding it painfully ironic.

Air purifiers aren't going to take NO2 out of the air, they will, however, happily take out dust and particulate matter out of the air. Even if industrial society stopped tomorrow, my apartment would still be full of particulate matter - dust, lint, etc.

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Post by slifin »

m0nty wrote: post #118
dfgdghdf wrote: post #95

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Indeed. What's really crazy is how the "anti" side has managed to claim to be the side of the working class, fighting against a "green liberal elite". This trope is incredibly harmful; the poor don't even own cars in London, yet breathe the most polluted air.

And immediately anyone mentions restricting traffic, they're all about the disabled, older people, ambulances and essential deliveries, when really all they seem to want is to drive their cars as often and far as they like, without restrictions. It really is infuriating.

Infuriating is right

My partner cannot legally drive DUE to disabilities, improved public transport, walking, cycling etc

Would be massively helpful for us but no car hell on our door step forever

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by h0l0cube »

kingsloi wrote: post #91

Shameless plug, I've been working on a community air quality monitor for my little community https://millerbeach.community I live a few miles from steel mills, oil refineries, who take advantage of Lake Michigan, constantly polluting both air and water, occasionally dumping/"releasing" more toxic chemicals than permitted and don't raise the alarm for a few days: https://www.in.gov/idem/cleanwater/2576.htm , killing t…

> I've been working on a community air quality monitor for my little community

Some people lament how little impact they can have on government policy on these problems, so I'm heartened to see such initiatives from the bottom up. Imagine if even .1% of the global population were monitoring air quality? Such data could have real value to lawyers, journalists, policy makers, city planners, etc.

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Post by JPKab »

parenthesis wrote: post #24
JPKab wrote: post #16

I go to London occasionally for work. Since I live in a high-altitude location, I really enjoy running when I travel, since I can go faster and farther and sight see at the same time. The amount of diesel exhaust you breathe in running through London is pretty crazy compared to other cities I've been in. And I know that they have worked very hard to reduce this, so not trying to knock the UK or London itself. Just so…

What is the altitude of where you live?

I live northwest of Denver, higher up overlooking it. I'm at 1900 meters (6200 feet).

Nothing too crazy, but makes a difference for sure.

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Post by selimthegrim »

kingsloi wrote: post #100
throwaway201103 wrote: post #97

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Why do you live there? I mean of all places, Gary Indiana is near the bottom of the list of anyplace in the USA that I would consider living. Economically destitute, dysfunctional government, high crime, terrible schools, and horrible contamination from the steel mills. I assume it was a work-related move?

In 2011, I was in college in the UK, managed to score a year internship in Chesterton, IN, a few miles from Gary. Lived in Valparaiso while I worked in Chesterton. Revisited same city in 2016, met my now wife who is from Crown Point. We got married and rented from a friend in the Miller Beach community neighbourhood of Gary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_Beach , a block from some really wonderful beaches, dunes…

Well there go my theories about 76 trombones or Freddie Gibbs

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by kingsloi »

kingsloi wrote: post #100
throwaway201103 wrote: post #97

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Why do you live there? I mean of all places, Gary Indiana is near the bottom of the list of anyplace in the USA that I would consider living. Economically destitute, dysfunctional government, high crime, terrible schools, and horrible contamination from the steel mills. I assume it was a work-related move?

In 2011, I was in college in the UK, managed to score a year internship in Chesterton, IN, a few miles from Gary. Lived in Valparaiso while I worked in Chesterton. Revisited same city in 2016, met my now wife who is from Crown Point. We got married and rented from a friend in the Miller Beach community neighbourhood of Gary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_Beach , a block from some really wonderful beaches, dunes…

@selimthegrim

I actually discovered Freddie when I lived here in 2011. Big fan! I fly TinyWhoop to Freddie's songs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xCpyVrdt3c

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