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The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by spaetzleesser »

scaladev wrote: post #41
satysin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in [redacted], [redacted] and we often have high air pollution warnings and you really can feel it in the air. During lockdown, back in April and May, there was a noticeable difference in the air quality. It felt different. When we went out for a walk you could also tell the difference in noise pollution from there being so few cars on the roads. It was lovely. There is a church nearby that we can sometimes he…

I am not trying to undervalue your problems, but I suggest looking at some third world countries for some perspective. I live in one such place. In winter (which lasts for about 8-9 months each year) the air pollution is _horrifyingly_ bad: 250-300 µg/m³ of PM2.5 at day time, and 900-1500 µg/m³ each night. I am not bullshitting you, this is how we live. You can feel the taste of coal on tour tongue in a completely se…

I have visited Mumbai and now have co workers in New Delhi. I had to leave Mumbai after two days because I couldn't stand the air anymore. When I blew my nose it was just black stuff coming out and buy throat was constantly scratchy. And from what I hear it's even worse in New Delhi. I only hope that people will wake up soon and change.

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by vkou »

cmehdy wrote: post #65
kmfrk wrote: post #45

A lot of people are coming to terms with bad air quality, even in their homes. Air purifiers are selling like hotcakes, even where wildfires aren't a concern. One of the concerns I hope will stick after this thing is (largely) over. Something I would love for a HNer to solve is SEO for air purifiers: basically all Google results are absolute bullshit that make it harder, not easier, to make an informed choice. Much l…

I find the irony strong in the idea of buying electronics encased in plastic transported by ships and trucks to you in order to purify the air that is polluted majorly due to every single aspect of that chain. I understand to an extent of course, but can't help finding it painfully ironic.

Air purifiers aren't going to take NO2 out of the air, they will, however, happily take out dust and particulate matter out of the air.

Even if industrial society stopped tomorrow, my apartment would still be full of particulate matter - dust, lint, etc.

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by amelius »

d_burfoot wrote: post #80

One very simple thing that we can do a much better job at is preventing people from idling their cars in pedestrian areas. I walk through supposedly eco-conscious Berkeley every day, and without fail there is at least one car stopped at the curb, idling, often while the owner plays with his phone. The problem has gotten much worse now that food-order apps are more popular. I think that people have some kind of magica…

I don't think the suicide argument makes sense because what kills you is the carbon monoxide or the lack of oxygen, both of which are not a problem outside.

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by nvarsj »

olivermarks wrote: post #64

A child with serious asthma issues should not be living near a major traffic artery, this could have been a quickly remedied social situation. 'A 2018 report found unlawful levels of pollution, which were detected at a monitoring station one mile from Ella's home, contributed to her fatal asthma attack'. The girl lived '25 metres from the South circular' in Lewisham. Listing her death with claims 'air pollution' were…

It’s sort of ridiculous to suggest moving house and family is “quick and easy”. Most likely her house was only affordable because it was in such a polluted area. Many areas in London are like this unfortunately - walls completely covered in soot from diesel vehicles. They simply need to ban diesel in the city.

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by novok »

pietrovismara wrote: post #25

This pandemic gave me so much to think about air pollution. It puzzles me how we can have, just in Europe, around 800k yearly premature deaths caused by pollution[0] and still not care at all. On the other hand, covid-19 hasn't caused yet as many deaths but we quickly intervened, as it should be. Why can't we, as a society, react with the same effectiveness to air pollution? - [0]: https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/…

I think it's because if we had unhinged covid, the death toll would have been approx %2 or %3 of the population, which could've been 9 to 10 million people in europe.

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by hyperdimension »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #74
pietrovismara wrote: post #25

This pandemic gave me so much to think about air pollution. It puzzles me how we can have, just in Europe, around 800k yearly premature deaths caused by pollution[0] and still not care at all. On the other hand, covid-19 hasn't caused yet as many deaths but we quickly intervened, as it should be. Why can't we, as a society, react with the same effectiveness to air pollution? - [0]: https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/…

> Why can't we, as a society, react with the same effectiveness to air pollution? The Covid frenzy reminds me something that happened in my friend's village. Four small apartment rooms burned down affecting four people. The village went into a frenzy of help and concern. They had multiple fundraisers to raise money for the affected. Local news would go to local businesses to film them putting together care packages.…

That is such a fantastic metaphor for our limited 'supply' of care/empathy.

Sometimes it feels as though we have only so much for others' plights before we run out and only have enough to focus on our own. I'm not sure.

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by IronRanger »

novok wrote: post #85
pietrovismara wrote: post #25

This pandemic gave me so much to think about air pollution. It puzzles me how we can have, just in Europe, around 800k yearly premature deaths caused by pollution[0] and still not care at all. On the other hand, covid-19 hasn't caused yet as many deaths but we quickly intervened, as it should be. Why can't we, as a society, react with the same effectiveness to air pollution? - [0]: https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/…

I think it's because if we had unhinged covid, the death toll would have been approx %2 or %3 of the population, which could've been 9 to 10 million people in europe.

Sweden has had a lower per-capita COVID deathtoll than European states with heavy lockdowns.

Lockdown South American nations have had about the same COVID toll as non-lockdown nations.

Same when you look at individual US states.

Doesn't seem to be much of a link between lockdowns and COVID - but a heavy link between lockdown and economic and social devastation.

The virus will follow its own seasonal trends, impacted by herd immunity, as every respiratory virus has.

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by mads_ravn »

IronRanger wrote: post #87
novok wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's because if we had unhinged covid, the death toll would have been approx %2 or %3 of the population, which could've been 9 to 10 million people in europe.

Sweden has had a lower per-capita COVID deathtoll than European states with heavy lockdowns. Lockdown South American nations have had about the same COVID toll as non-lockdown nations. Same when you look at individual US states. Doesn't seem to be much of a link between lockdowns and COVID - but a heavy link between lockdown and economic and social devastation. The virus will follow its own seasonal trends, impacted…

> Sweden has had a lower per-capita COVID deathtoll than European states with heavy lockdowns.

But 5-12 times that of comparable neighboring countries like Norway, Finland and Denmark

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat...

And by own admission the strategy failed

https://www.thelocal.se/20201215/what-does-the-first-report-...

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by slaw »

IronRanger wrote: post #87
novok wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's because if we had unhinged covid, the death toll would have been approx %2 or %3 of the population, which could've been 9 to 10 million people in europe.

Sweden has had a lower per-capita COVID deathtoll than European states with heavy lockdowns. Lockdown South American nations have had about the same COVID toll as non-lockdown nations. Same when you look at individual US states. Doesn't seem to be much of a link between lockdowns and COVID - but a heavy link between lockdown and economic and social devastation. The virus will follow its own seasonal trends, impacted…

Here is comparison between Sweden and Norway. 'The observed temporary excess mortality likely arises because people in vulnerable groups die weeks or months earlier than they would otherwise, due to the timing and severity of the unusual external event.' https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.11.20229708v...

Re: The first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as a cause of death

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Post by lolbrels »

scaladev wrote: post #41
satysin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in [redacted], [redacted] and we often have high air pollution warnings and you really can feel it in the air. During lockdown, back in April and May, there was a noticeable difference in the air quality. It felt different. When we went out for a walk you could also tell the difference in noise pollution from there being so few cars on the roads. It was lovely. There is a church nearby that we can sometimes he…

I am not trying to undervalue your problems, but I suggest looking at some third world countries for some perspective. I live in one such place. In winter (which lasts for about 8-9 months each year) the air pollution is _horrifyingly_ bad: 250-300 µg/m³ of PM2.5 at day time, and 900-1500 µg/m³ each night. I am not bullshitting you, this is how we live. You can feel the taste of coal on tour tongue in a completely se…

Sounds like you are - what would you have us do? Fly out and solve it for you? What is the point of this as a reply, if you want to spread awareness of your situation then make a thread.
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