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CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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_qwfv wrote: post #321
ineedasername wrote: post #286

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* it's not really cyberpunk* Having read a bunch of great (and not so great) cyberpunk fiction from the 80's & 90's, that's actually a theme that really shines through here for me. Crazy cybernetics & brain/computer interfaces, hacking, drugs, weird AI doing things like running a transport/security company with some splinter groups that have existential crisis... I really get that original cyberpunk vibe.

Your main character says not all cops are bastards. Strong punk energy. eyeroll It's extremely a game that is pastiche of cyberpunk, diving neither into the cyber nor punk beyond skinning things. Where's the Ghost in the Shell examination of the self? Where's the dive into what it means to have modifiable bodies? Where's the anti-establishment story (oh wait, the game opens with praise of the cops by multiple charact…

There's a very strong "cops can be dicks" theme in literally the first opening scene. There's a very strong theme of cops being a tool of corporate interests.

On what to means to have a modifiable body, there too from the beginning the game puts it right in front of you where it causes a sort of body dysmorphic disorder that can drive people crazy. There's even a series of side quests that deal directly with this.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by ineedasername »

nkohari wrote: post #579
Pfhreak wrote: post #403

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I think that cyber psychos are a really tired way to translate an old tabletop game mechanic into a story beat. What's more interesting -- amputees and disabled folks go BERSERK when they get treatment, or what if we escaped the bounds of the human form. Why does this game have such an extremely boring view of what humanity could be if you had access to mods. Gender, race, body type, even the configuration of limbs a…

I'm a HUGE fan of Gibson's books, but let's be honest: he's 72 years old, and might not be the best judge of modern video games. He was also involved in (and wrote the screenplay for) the Johnny Mnemonic movie, which was one of the blandest attempts at mainstreaming cyberpunk ever. The Japanese stereotypes and Haitian gangs are lifted straight off the pages of Neuromancer and Count Zero. I dig the retrofuturist 80s v…

Netflix's Altered Carbon?

Yes. It definitely fell flat for me. Having read the source material probably didn't help there since it was so much better. Although even the book... I re-read about 2 years ago and it wasn't nearly as good as I remembered it from around 2006.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by [deleted] »

_cs2017_ wrote: post #27

Wasn't it obvious to anyone who play-tested on last-gen consoles that the game is nearly unplayable and so will receive horrendous reviews? Presumably CDPR employees are not afraid to convey such bad news to the management. So why did the management still decide to go ahead with the release this year? After reading this transcript, I didn't find the answer to these questions. "Underestimated the scale and complexity…

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Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

bnjms wrote: post #162
leereeves wrote: post #131

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Leading to a lawsuit that was settled with undisclosed terms, but he's reportedly worth $15B now [1], so he must have received quite a lot. 1: https://www.forbes.com/profile/eduardo-saverin/?sh=1b75ae527...

So is Zuckerberg an actual villain?

Well they state it right in the movie that he deceptively tried to screw Saverin over and his own lawyer in a nutshell said "Settle. Because what do you think a jury will say?"

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by anonunivgrad »

gambiting wrote: post #588
anonunivgrad wrote: post #582

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You’re very unlikely to spend that much. If you have multiple serious medical emergencies in the span of one year, $7000 is nothing for having your life saved and getting treatment. Also, the cap is usually much lower than $7000. Also, remember, they’re still covering ~90% of every individual expense. By the time you’ve spent $7000, the insurance company has put down many times that. Our medical providers are competi…

>>It’s a strange mindset to think that something should just be free. When it comes to healthcare? Yes, it should absolutely be free to the recepient. I don't know why it's such a strange concept to you - afer all, Americans are also used to receiving certain services for free - you don't have to pay the police for coming to help you, or the fire brigade for that matter. To me it's the same thing - if your house on f…

You have to pay for food. That doesn’t mean that eating isn’t important or that a society wants people to go hungry. By your logic, the private market would just be the domain of luxuries and useless trinkets. The government here provides health insurance for the very poor and subsidizes private insurance for the somewhat poor.

Police and fire are public services because they would not work as market systems. Fires spread from house to house, for example, regardless of who pays or doesn’t, so private fire brigades would have to protect non-payers in order to also protect payers. That’s a classic market failure that can be solved by public services. (Potentially, that problem could have been solved by requiring fire coverage, but then there's the further problem of a row of houses, each with different fire services, some better than others, with the better ones still needing to protect the houses insured by the worse ones to protect their own customers. Not to mention that a single house fire can lead to a whole city burning down. It's just not a service that the market can effectively provide in most places.)

And no, of course people don’t completely waste care in other systems either. That’s because it’s rationed by the government. Elective procedures have long wait lists, access to specialists is specially guarded, etc. Limited resources always have to be rationed by some mechanism.

Our system in the US is far from perfect: we let the doctor’s guild limit the supply of doctors, we are too uncomfortable with ending care for the very old and terminally ill, and the whole hospital and medical device industries could use an antitrust shakeup.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by n3dm »

pie_flavor wrote: post #283

I have experienced exactly one bug, namely every tree within view-distance being visible through walls at all times. It is possibly the single most immersion breaking bug I have experienced in a video game and every time I see it I cringe. And, yet, twelve hours and counting.

Update your video drivers. Known issue.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by Pfhreak »

ineedasername wrote: post #591
_qwfv wrote: post #321

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Your main character says not all cops are bastards. Strong punk energy. eyeroll It's extremely a game that is pastiche of cyberpunk, diving neither into the cyber nor punk beyond skinning things. Where's the Ghost in the Shell examination of the self? Where's the dive into what it means to have modifiable bodies? Where's the anti-establishment story (oh wait, the game opens with praise of the cops by multiple charact…

There's a very strong "cops can be dicks" theme in literally the first opening scene. There's a very strong theme of cops being a tool of corporate interests. On what to means to have a modifiable body, there too from the beginning the game puts it right in front of you where it causes a sort of body dysmorphic disorder that can drive people crazy. There's even a series of side quests that deal directly with this.

The dialog in that scene says, effectively, he must have done something to deserve it. To me it showed police violence and then immediately tried to justify it. I took away a very different message from that scene.

But that's the beauty of critique, I think we can both look at the same work and draw different messages from it.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by ashtonkem »

Hamuko wrote: post #385
ashtonkem wrote: post #368

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... shouldn’t consoles be an easier target to develop for, since they’re more consistent and stable?

They're not easier to target when your game is very unoptimised. Apparently even the PC version is very unoptimised and that you might be able to get better performance out of it by modding it.

I agree that high end gaming PCs can be a bad target to aim for because they’re unrepresentative of most rigs, the advantage that consoles have is consistency. No game developer should be surprised by their games performance on consoles at any point in the development lifecycle, since this is a known factor from day 1.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by Pfhreak »

arugulum wrote: post #433
_qwfv wrote: post #321

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Your main character says not all cops are bastards. Strong punk energy. eyeroll It's extremely a game that is pastiche of cyberpunk, diving neither into the cyber nor punk beyond skinning things. Where's the Ghost in the Shell examination of the self? Where's the dive into what it means to have modifiable bodies? Where's the anti-establishment story (oh wait, the game opens with praise of the cops by multiple charact…

>Your main character says not all cops are bastards. IIRC this comment was made when you're on a quest and partnered with probably the one good cop on the force, who was also suspended for doing his job. The quest started based on the incompetence of the police leading to him needing to ask V for help to pursue the case. And the comment was made in reference to this one guy you're trying to help out. Meanwhile the ne…

Some additional context-- you have to engage in a system where you get paid to kill people for the police. And then there's this, https://twitter.com/TurboBurpo/status/1338945708200656896?s=...

Remember that Night City evolved out of LA and imagine that description applied to the LAPD.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by Pfhreak »

jevgeni wrote: post #423
Pfhreak wrote: post #406

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It literally was explicitly that. Gibson and others started writing in this genre, which then took it's name from CYBERPUNK by Bruce Bethke a short story that was named to elicit a feeling of technology and punk attitudes. The common idiom high tech, low life is another way of describing the genre and also succinctly suggests that the genre is, in fact, cyber + punk. Happy to provide references, but a quick internet…

I know all that. You're just misusing the word "punk" as a free variable.

I'm using it as intended -- that stories in cyberpunk universes focus on anti establishment themes and lowlifes.
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