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Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by icelancer »

deepsun wrote: post #213
icelancer wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> For a functioning democracy, everyone must do politics, even if it's unpleasant. I've been voting and voicing my displeasure regularly for the last year at my governor and elected officials, down the to the local ones, and nothing has changed. Actually that's not true, the majority of the decisions made have changed quite a bit and have further ruined my small business and my children's education. Can't imagine ho…

Try to motivate people you know to pressure the officials. By the way, not sure about US, but I've seen that often you actually need very little votes to register a motion/discussion/voting/etc for expelling an official from their office. Whether that motion is satisfied or not -- official should be stressed about it immediately. What matters the most is how many people you can motivate to do something, and that is d…

72% of the people voted for the official in question. (1MM+)

Sorry, man, I'm gonna just not do politics. There's literally no point.

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Post by Aerroon »

stickfigure wrote: post #200
tremon wrote: post #170

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It reads to me like they're saying the conspiracy theory is valid, unless someone is held accountable for the CCTV failure.

Sure, it's a conspiracy of taxpayers to avoid the massive investment that would be required to bring all that technology back into working order - across public infrastructure everywhere throughout the country. What percentage of BART cameras do you think work? Based on the number of high-profile incidents without footage, I'd guess Consider yourself held responsible and allocate yourself the consequences you see fit…

No, you misunderstand. Somebody is in charge of that prison/jail. A person died under their watch. The equipment supposed to record how it happened malfunctioned right at that time. This should be unacceptable. The person directly responsible for the facility should bear at least some consequences for failure to do their duty. If they don't have enough funding to make sure that things like this don't happen then there should be an extensive paper trail of them asking for more funding for this. If not, then it sounds like it's not a problem they care about.

For me it's not a question of whether it's a conspiracy or not. For me it's a question about society. Not only can we not protect a very high profile individual from harm in a cell (self-inflicted or not), we can't even make sure that the cameras in the cell work. What chance do we have that prisons in general can protect prisoners from harm? And if we can't protect prisoners from harm then they'll do it themselves. That's how you get a gang culture. You also make sure that many criminals never even get a real chance at reforming, because they'll have to protect themselves in prison with the limited means at their disposal instead of learning to become a better person.

Re: Stalking her daughter’s killers across Mexico, one by one

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Post by chaostheory »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #216
chaostheory wrote: post #212

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Are there any countries that enjoy a low crime rate that do NOT have a largely homogeneous populations like Iceland and Japan? Not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious. EDIT Are there any low crime countries with a diverse population that don't employ big brother style surveillance like Singapore?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Honduras at the very least you need more than that, Honduras itself is 87% mestizo

Reading your article

> Because of social stigmas attached, many people denied having African ancestry, and after African descended Caribbean workers arrived in Honduras, an active campaign to denigrate all people of African descent, made persons of mixed race anxious to deny any African ancestry. Hence official statistics quite uniformly under-represent those people who have ancestry in favor of a "two race" solution.

Contrasting your example, Japan and Iceland are near 100% homogeneous.

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Post by chaostheory »

dedles wrote: post #220
chaostheory wrote: post #212

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Are there any countries that enjoy a low crime rate that do NOT have a largely homogeneous populations like Iceland and Japan? Not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious. EDIT Are there any low crime countries with a diverse population that don't employ big brother style surveillance like Singapore?

Canada?

Canada, like the US, is pretty diverse compared to places like Japan and Iceland. Am I missing something?

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Post by moneywoes »

chaostheory wrote: post #224
dedles wrote: post #220

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Canada?

Canada, like the US, is pretty diverse compared to places like Japan and Iceland. Am I missing something?

I think he meant that Canada is a diverse country with low crime. In contrast to how Japan and Iceland have no crime while having homogenous populations.

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Post by chaostheory »

moneywoes wrote: post #225
chaostheory wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada, like the US, is pretty diverse compared to places like Japan and Iceland. Am I missing something?

I think he meant that Canada is a diverse country with low crime. In contrast to how Japan and Iceland have no crime while having homogenous populations.

Thanks for the clarification. According to the data, it's comparable to the US which makes sense since the diversity and even culture are similar.

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Post by tschwimmer »

addicted wrote: post #173
xenadu02 wrote: post #104

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There just isn't nearly as much money in any alternatives. At its root money is required to maintain cartel power. Sure they aren't going to disappear overnight. But cutting out their most profitable product lines would make a huge dent without a doubt. We have a real-world example of that from Prohibition so it isn't entirely theoretical.

If there isn’t enough money, it only ends up making gangs more ruthless as they now have to compete for a smaller share of money with other gangs. They end up extorting even more money from the local populace, and try and extend their fangs into other activities. I’m not saying that legalizing drugs won’t help at all. But it’s unlikely it will help in places that already have gangs without other actions in addition.

What I'm about to say is a broad generalization, but an important one:

Gangs exist as the most promising form of employment for people without other options. If you destroy the gang's single largest source of revenue, then it reduces their relative attracting as an employer. There are alternative to drugs like human trafficking, arms dealing and the wildlife trade but they have much much smaller markets. Perhaps in the short term violence would increase as gangs try to find a replacment for drugs, but even in the medium term I strongly believe that recruitment would plummet and attrition would rise as the money ran out.

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Post by cutemonster »

chaostheory wrote: post #226
moneywoes wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he meant that Canada is a diverse country with low crime. In contrast to how Japan and Iceland have no crime while having homogenous populations.

Thanks for the clarification. According to the data, it's comparable to the US which makes sense since the diversity and even culture are similar.

> comparable to the US

In diversity? Or crime rate?

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Post by lazyasciiart »

Aerroon wrote: post #222
stickfigure wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's a conspiracy of taxpayers to avoid the massive investment that would be required to bring all that technology back into working order - across public infrastructure everywhere throughout the country. What percentage of BART cameras do you think work? Based on the number of high-profile incidents without footage, I'd guess Consider yourself held responsible and allocate yourself the consequences you see fit…

No, you misunderstand. Somebody is in charge of that prison/jail. A person died under their watch. The equipment supposed to record how it happened malfunctioned right at that time. This should be unacceptable . The person directly responsible for the facility should bear at least some consequences for failure to do their duty. If they don't have enough funding to make sure that things like this don't happen then the…

Yes, American prisons are as bad as this makes them look. Possibly worse. The UK refused to extradite one guy because they said there was too high a risk that he'd kill himself in prison here. Prison rape and assault are common - at least 20% of male prisoners report being assaulted, often by staff. And it's been like this for decades, all over the country, because a significant percentage of people really believe that prison is meant to be some kind of dystopic hellhole.
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